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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » August 25, 2014 12:20pm | Report
Sanvitch wrote:

How would people go about dealing with the off-lane Void nerf wise? Since it's primarily there for the combo's you get with Chronosphere from stuff like Mystic Flare and Exorcism, so how would you change it to balance it out?

If you are trying to deal with that whole playstyle, you wouldn't just deal with Backtrack, since the issue isn't Backtrack. I mean, you could go for something like make it so things caught in Chronosphere can only take damage from Void? Granted it won't be so extreme as that, but it'll probably be similar to that.

Other things that I could see happen is changes to Static Link to make it slightly easier to break. Like say Blinking or Puck using Phase Shift breaks the link, or something on those lines.

I think the only nerfs void needs are once that make his offlane harder. He isnt amazing as a carry and the meta moving away from deathball will do the rest.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by TheSofa » August 25, 2014 12:43pm | Report
I think they need to replace Time Walk, so he actually has to buy a blink and not other carry items. I guess he'll be played as a utility, then.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » August 25, 2014 1:27pm | Report
I agree completely with the deathball Faceless Void nerfs. Void is a good hard carry, but as a carry he's not OP in any way, he's perfectly balanced. Nerfing backtrack or whatever is not the issue. The issue is nerfing damage in Chronosphere that is not done by Void himself but by his allies. Because then Chrono basically becomes an overpowered Black Hole with half the cooldown and which can't be countered in any way.
So yeah, "Units under the effects of Chronosphere take 40% reduced damage from sources that are not controlled by Void himself" sounds good.

I'm all in for a Blink Dagger nerf also, blink is just too good as an escape mechanism right now. I'd say "Blink dagger has a 0.4 second cast delay". Just like antimage or QoP's blink. This way poeple can't abuse it as an instant escape anymore. I always call bull**** when a Pudge or Ursa makes it away at the last minute with their blink dagger, because these heroes are supposed to have no escape mechanism.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by kkoopman3 » August 25, 2014 2:28pm | Report
I honestly think that Void doesn't need a nerf. If you can establish good control early game (KotL, I'm looking at you), Void's effectiveness really falls off.

I think the patch needs to focus more (I hope the patch focuses more) on pubstomp heroes that are harder to counter and snowball like hell *cough cough* Bloodseeker *cough* if not countered earlier game. This includes Clinkz, Mirana, Lich to a degree (Chain Frost especially. Maybe slight changes to reduce its effects), and, of course, Bloodseeker. The issue about bloodseeker is that his early game is so strong (levels 6-12), that he snowballs too quickly and will lay the foundation for an essentially ensured victory if not silenced IMMEDIATELY upon entering a fight.

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kkoopman3 wrote:

I honestly think that Void doesn't need a nerf. If you can establish good control early game (KotL, I'm looking at you), Void's effectiveness really falls off.

I think the patch needs to focus more (I hope the patch focuses more) on pubstomp heroes that are harder to counter and snowball like hell *cough cough* Bloodseeker *cough* if not countered earlier game. This includes Clinkz, Mirana, Lich to a degree (Chain Frost especially. Maybe slight changes to reduce its effects), and, of course, Bloodseeker. The issue about bloodseeker is that his early game is so strong (levels 6-12), that he snowballs too quickly and will lay the foundation for an essentially ensured victory if not silenced IMMEDIATELY upon entering a fight.

The game is balanced around the pro scene, not low level pubs.

Bloodseeker needs a remake though, weird buffs like all his spells going through BKB and being undispellable is not going to do the thing, his design in innately bad.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Mercynary5 » August 25, 2014 4:05pm | Report
Timminatorr wrote:


The game is balanced around the pro scene, not low level pubs.

Bloodseeker needs a remake though, weird buffs like all his spells going through BKB and being undispellable is not going to do the thing, his design in innately bad.


All heroes like Riki Drow Ranger and more need to fix their own problems now. Also pro player from unknown site said Juggernaut needs a buff by replacing ability on one of them. I've agreed to his opinion because he is just a plain carry with just escape mechanism and omnislash. Just saying if anyone want to hear about it.

So this is the patch we been waiting for, hoping for a great buffs on non-pro scene heroes.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » August 25, 2014 4:33pm | Report
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All heroes like Riki Drow Ranger and more need to fix their own problems now. Also pro player from unknown site said Juggernaut needs a buff by replacing ability on one of them. I've agreed to his opinion because he is just a plain carry with just escape mechanism and omnislash. Just saying if anyone want to hear about it.

So this is the patch we been waiting for, hoping for a great buffs on non-pro scene heroes.

Right now juggernaut hardly benefits from his crit, he is squishy, has no lockdown, melee, and no mobility so can be kited.
The only reason to pick him is for his ward, his carry potential is just so lackluster.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Smuggels » August 25, 2014 5:04pm | Report
phase shift doesnt break link atm .... but i so so so so wish it would

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sanvitch » August 25, 2014 6:12pm | Report
Drow Ranger actually sees some competitive use. Admittedly most of it is down to Precision Aura being extremely good in certain line-up (Such as with Visage).

If there's an Hero that needs buffs it's Spirit Breaker. I have never seen a competitive Spirit Breaker game, and I've watched a lot of VODs of competitive games over the past year. It's kinda sad really. I mean, even Medusa got a tiny bit of TI4 usage.

Skywrath Mage is another hero I could see getting some nerfs. If because his post TI4 and inclusive TI4 usage has been huge. Whilst he's not format centralizing like Faceless Void for death pushes, it's probably a likely candidate to get some kind of hit.

Since you just can't have enough Chaos Breaker.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » August 26, 2014 2:28am | Report
Timminatorr wrote:

Bloodseeker needs a remake though, weird buffs like all his spells going through BKB and being undispellable is not going to do the thing, his design in innately bad.


Definitely. Bloodrage becoming undispellable in 6.81 is just horrible design. It only makes him a completely OP counterpick to Puck and Anti-Mage, but it still doesn't make Blood a good hero. Niche/counterpick heroes are a terrible thing in a game like DotA, it just shows poor balancing in the game - please don't make more of them.

Rupture and Thirst are fine as they are, they're pretty good skills actually now (getting thirst in ability draft is extremely fun - 700 movement speed ftw ^^). The real issue is with Bloodrage, this skill needs a full rework IMO. Bloodrage design is pretty poor, give him another skill instead.
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