6.87 Discussion Thread

Anybody knows what Infused Raindrops are supposed to do?
That said, Wind Lace looks like a super good early game item.

Anybody knows what Infused Raindrops are supposed to do?
That said, Wind Lace looks like a super good early game item.

Damn, look at that winrate after just a few hours http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/slark/trends

OK so let's try to be rational about this and leave the gimmicks aside.

- Ranked all pick bans. I love the idea, even with the hidden implication that OSFrog has finally acknowledged that his game is broken and that ranked pubs are ruled by 4-5 meta heroes every patch because of poor balance. That's a really good thing. Only complaint I have is the randomness aspect, instead of e.g a majority vote. I hate randomness in video games.

Agreed, so guhd much happy YAY

- Scan is a smoke counter and a ganking buff, so you can find heroes sitting in jungle or not showing on lanes. I actually like it.

finally someone with sense,, though it is a bit counter intuitive imo

- Slark dota. I am pub playa. I pick Fish. I go safe layne. I rush Silver Edge because I get 15 AGI and 15 INT from it now, not to mention 15 damage and attack speed more than before. I get skadi, BKB and MKB because basher sucks now. Or SnY, or Bloodthorn so that nobody can escape me. I scan enemy jungle every 5 minute to look for food. I dive towers. I have infinite INT and can counter every hero in the game with my itemization.

or just get the new item that lets you get double silver edge damage???

- Invoker is still broken. Not much more to say there. He got both minor buffs and minor nerfs, while I was expecting MASSIVE nerfs. His late game is even better now.

he is now less of a lane dominator early game meaning he cant get the most out of his lane to get to late, still fun to play but

- Windranger got 2 new items she can play with, maybe even 3 with silver edge. Where are the nerfs again?

she still have the same problems that got her labelled situational by pro players so i doubt we will see much change in that

- Phantom Assassin is even more dog**** than she was in 6.86. Af if it was even possible. Abyssal Blade was literally the only item that made this hero deal any damage. Now it deals zero damage. Daedalus core item confirmed I guess. Also Stifling Dagger is much weaker. The only point of this skill was to get CS is lane, now the damage is too low in lane to do even that. Trash hero, stay away, there's gonna be 3 silver edges in every game anyways.

- Anti-Mage... Abyssal Blade is an interesting one. I actually consider it a buff. Abyssal no longer deals damage but you can replace Vlads by Vanguard in his build, and get manta/abyssal faster to be in fighting shape with way more survivability which is all he needs in the end. 250 more HP for AM, that's super good.

- Enchantress actually got buffed this patch. Yup, I'm serious. Hurricane Pike is stupid on her. And Bloodthorn = free MKB.

- Arc Warden. Ok, so does that mean that the Tempest Double casting items now puts those items on the main hero on cooldown? If that's the case the hero is trash. At least Necronomicon AW is no longer a thing. So yeah the hero sucks. Or at least is restricted to Radiance/Manta cancer.

- Mirana : Her aghs sounds only good for farming creeps. It doesn't scale so it's not even an item for support Mirana which would have been a good thing. I say silly gimmick and nothing else.

it does 1000 magic damage every 12 seconds.... in an AoE im not saying its great but its pretty good item now for her now as a pos 4

- Faceless Void is still a horrible carry. No change there, expect to still see the same silly OSFrog offlaner that's immune to harass and nothing else.

or you get some stupid attack speed items and max bash and watch them weep when your lvl 12 and hitting for 200+ damage a hit?

- Clockwerk...WHY. Just why. As if this hero wasn't spammed enough already...

honestly i cant say ive seen him played at all in my pubs last time was about 40 games ago...

- Echo Sabre...I'm extremely meh on that item. It's good on Spirit Breaker I guess, but who else? It's not a carry item, feels more like something for semicarry/offlaners. I guess on Riki maybe?

sven slark void and oh oh so many others, it is defs a good item for those that want to quickly output physical dps

- Strength carries buffed. That's actually a really good thing of the patch. SnY is pretty sick now on melee heroes, and rightfully nerfed on ranged ones. And armlet 10 armor, yay. Naix, CK, CK, WK, LC...me likey.

While I salute the effort of buffing strength and intelligence carries...I feel that we're essentially going to see the same heroes as in 6.86. The imbalance level (# of OP heroes, and # of trash heroes) looks a bit worse than before, no improvement here I fear.

slark is truth but i think some new heroes will arise 100% and i wont say balance is dead until the meta settles and the patch patches that patch the patch start flowing

Invoker is now less of a lane dominator early game meaning he cant get the most out of his lane to get to late, still fun to play but

WR still have the same problems that got her labelled situational by pro players so i doubt we will see much change in that

it does 1000 magic damage every 12 seconds.... in an AoE im not saying its great but its pretty good item now for her now as a pos 4

or you get some stupid attack speed items on Void and max bash and watch them weep when your lvl 12 and hitting for 200+ damage a hit?

- Clockwerk...WHY. Just why. As if this hero wasn't spammed enough already...

honestly i cant say ive seen him played at all in my pubs last time was about 40 games ago...

- Echo Sabre...I'm extremely meh on that item. It's good on Spirit Breaker I guess, but who else? It's not a carry item, feels more like something for semicarry/offlaners. I guess on Riki maybe?

sven slark void and oh oh so many others, it is defs a good item for those that want to quickly output physical dps

i think some new heroes will arise 100% and i wont say balance is dead until the meta settles and the patch patches that patch the patch start flowing[/h3][/color]

Skywrath Mage Mystic Flare scepter duration increased from 2.4 to 12 seconds

What in the living hell... ?