Is it me or Juggernaut has fallen off the game?

Excellent. I will give this a go.



I never think about early stat points. Though i do see the relevance of it for Jugg. Cheers.

Romark

The thing about Juggernaut is that he is classified as a "carry", and people can't tell the difference between all the types of carry. You have pushing carries, farming carries, semi-carries, snowballing carries, etc. Most people see the word carry next to someone and think you just have to get a midas and Battlefury and farm for 35 mins before joining a fight.

That is probably the worst way to play Jugg, because he just isn't that hard of a carry in the end. I play him a lot like Slark or someone, who creates a gap in the kills to swing an early advantage for my team and interrupt the other team's farm. Basically he's a number 2 who can give good utility and killing power to your team, and also win the early and mid game by getting fed.

I usually build an Urn of Shadows or Medallion of Courage then rush a Scepter so I can just go from lane to lane looking for kills. A Bottle is really, really helpful on him too, since two runes spawn now. After that I might go for a Blink Dagger to give him some much needed mobility, or a Vlad's or Skull Basher. There are a lot of good items on the guy, it just depends on the game.

He's still a great hero, he just needs to be played in the right way. He's more in the league of Viper and Razor and Brewmaster. End the game quick by dominating the early/mid.

Juggernaut was never a support. Doesn't even scale as one. Yes you can play him as a support but there's a lot of difference between a support Juggernaut and a real support Rubick. Supports are heroes whose skills contribute and strengthen other heroes.

Instead of a Juggernaut support, I'd rather go for a Sven support, at least he has some kind of support mechanisms, even more with aghs now

Supports are Heroes who can be effective without having to Lane. Juggernaut has enough Damage to easily get first blood, the same way as Leshrac can (but without the hindrance of having to avoid the Creep Wave). He may not have any lockdown, but Healing Ward contributes greatly to Pushes and early Roshan attempts whether he has Farm or not.

He may be a niche Support as best, but with no real Farming ability or any real benefit from Farm and having to rely on Kills to Snowball in order to be effective, why play him as a Core?

yea, he is kind of a semi support like beastmaster. you can be very creative with your support picks in dota. we have even seen a support ursa with enchantress.

I usually go Aghs + BF on Jugg. I prefer to play him as a ganker into lane pusher.

As long as he has his Ult up; the enemy would need at least four of their team members to defend from one of his tower pushes.

I usually split push with him to force an enemy teleport. With either blade spin or BF, most of the enemy creep wave will be dead by the time someone ports in to defend. Then burst them down with Omni.

The whole goal is to force massive teleports to stop me from taking a tower cause anything less than four and chances are that their dead. The only heroes that stand a chance are tanky heroes. While the enemy responds to my tower push; the rest of my team pushes somewhere else or grabs Roshan.

The problem with him is that the game needs to end pre 40 minutes. Jugg just falls off too quickly.

I own with Juggernaut and my build is Ring of Aquila > Boots of Speed > Morbid Mask > Phase Boots > Helm of the Dominator > Perserverance > Maelstrom > Battlefury > Mjollnir > Luxury ( Aghanim's Scepter / Butterfly / Orchid Malevolence / Heart of Terrasque, etc. ).

Also I like to go 1 level of Blade Fury first thing,then Healing Ward second , then max Blade Dance and Healing Ward taking stats over maxing Blade Fury

My build is pretty expensive, but as long as you push and roam around using Omnislash to get kills you should be fine in terms of gold. I like to go high attack speed / regen build becuase it scales well into the late game. Anyway, hope this helps.

Juggernaut is a support hero. He starts out as a ganker, and eventually brings strong team fight.

Roaming juggernaut is very strong with a long range slow or stun (Like Skywrath W). My friend and I have done roaming jugg/sky in the past and we've had a lot of success with it. One of the best ways to counter missing supports is just hug towers. If you smoke and drop a jugg ward into the trees and dive mid, it's very hard to stop it without mass TPs.

Jugg pretty much has to rush Aghs as his first item. He doesn't rely on right clicks from his crit. He's a hero that can gank with ult, then push with ward. He can even pull the wave and spin on it, for additional push.

Once you're past level 16, Jugg won't get any stronger. His ward will become more effective, as it is a percentage of health and that gets stronger with time. However, it dies in one hit. So without a large reliable lockdown like Chronosphere or something, it's going to get picked off very quickly.

The reduced cooldown on his ult with aghs gives you a lot of snowball capability. After aghs, I normally go deso into AC, regardless of the matchups. Rarely can jugg man fight anyone, so I feel it's best to just kill a hero with omni, then siege the tower with ward/deso asap. He's definitely more of a utility carry than anything. His actual man fight abilities are weak... But he offers amazing pick off potential, a lot of team fight damage (Or at least force them to spread), with both push sustain and a very risk-free Rosh, considering:

1. Ward negates rosh damage

2. If they contest, you are given optimal ult positioning due to lack of creeps.