Huskar's place in the competitive scene

Oh god, you're making my head explode guys -_-

Kyphoid did u get phase and tranqs together or not because... Because double boots

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I LOL'd so hard at this.
No,no double boots.
Please, dont make me go there.

Sorry I like to challenge people's thought process and discuss things ^__^, stay tuned



To quote what your previous comment:



How does buffing his ult make him a viable mek carrier? Whether or not the ult goes through BKB, he's still a viable mek carrier. Where are you getting the idea that if it's buffed THAT is what solidifies him getting Mek? Is that something hard to understand? Getting Tranquil Boots is not a good idea, the effect breaks when taking damage and since Huskar is always in the front lines in combat, it's better to get Power Treads for stats or Phase Boots for the extra damage and burst of mobility. "Viable situational" is redundant, being viable doesn't mean you should always get it but it means it works if you do pick it.



What the hell are you talking about? Are you trying to use my own arguments against me and ignore my response to your reponse? Night Stalker is only an example to a response you made:



You're essentially arguing against yourself and what does that show? You have no understanding of the information you're spouting. Any hero can be a ganker, what's more important is their objective. What they want to accomplish and if they can or how they do it is what's more important. This is something you don't realize and I know you don't realize it based on what you've told me.

In regards to Night Stalker, you can gank at first night time if you want, you don't have to wait till 6. That's why if you watch some higher level Night Stalker games, they sometimes buy themselves a Smoke of Deceit and gank early. Of course Night Stalker doesn't have the same harass it's just not as effective, nor is their playstyle the same. Their OBJECTIVES are similar, try to snowball and/or make room for whoever is in position #1.



Ironic when your whole response is redundant



I've already refuted that first sentence so reread if need be. Unlike Mek, Crimson Guard doesn't have a mana cost and the active is pretty strong for his WHOLE team. Unlike Mek that is used to heal damage, Crimson Guard provides mitigation against physical attacks similar to how Pipe of Insight works against magic damage. Less mana used, more mana to sustain Inner Vitality thus better overall survival. Did you even read how Life Break works or Berserker's Blood? With CG, you trade damage for more effective health but that means easier to survive under threshold or when using ult, do you understand or realize your own shortcomings? Why are you asking me the question I asked you without answering that same question yourself? I've already provided that answer above so I won't be repeating myself.



You did correlate Mek with a buffed ult, do you forget what you type? So far, with what I've seen you talk out your *** in regards to mechanics and have very little understanding of the game. You want to provide your insight where you don't have a good understanding of the game itself or why higher level players do anything, isn't that very arrogant of you?



Everything is situational and how you respond to a situation is what counts. There are priorities when facing certain comps, against heavy physical damage, you wouldn't go BKB as your early cores or at all. Against heavy magic damage it's an option if you want to get BKB but it's not a big priority since Huskar takes very little magic damage when around or below theshold. So WHEN do you get BKB? Against comps with a lot of stuns/hexes/roots. That's the reason you build BKB on Huskar.



I know 2 meks don't stack, however that's not the problem and you've failed to realize it. You're forsaking team gold efficiency. If you're snowballing, that means you're winning fights then it's most likely the same for your other teammates. Since they're snowballing too that means they can get mek instead of you. If one of your other cores or support is going to get it then why are you getting it yourself? Focus on other items if that's the case.

You're only focusing on one situation that is highly inefficient and shouldn't happen in the first place.



Where did I point out that you're telling players to ult and stand there?



Ok, you're just repeating how Huskar generally plays in general regardless if Life Break gets buffed in the future. You realize you're forcing players to buy a quick BKB and that's something of a merit on it's own.



Yeah, you did not say he's a #1 initiator because you never did and you never meant it that way. Regardless if the ult is buffed or not, when you're jumping in like that you're forcing your teammates to make a choice, let you go in alone or help you depending on the situation. Either way if you're ganking you're suppose to communicate with your team and not do solo ganks unless you know for sure you can kill them before reinforcements come.



Are you being serious? Regardless if his ultimate is buffed or not, if they see a Huskar picked or see him ganking the response will be the same. Again your inexperience is showing.

That last part adds nothing, that's one part of picking your heroes. What do these heroes bring to the table and how do they contribute to the strategy, this is a constant throughout competitive and casual Dota. You're putting too much focus on landing an ultimate, you don't pick Enigma or Magnus just for his ultimate.




That's the thing, it is beyond you. You only talk about big macro events and not small scale data that matter the most since it's those small actions that determine the bigger moments. You make very broad statements and that's not the point of a competitive discussion, why? It doesn't add nor help the discussion go further, with our conversation being the prime example. All I'm doing is trying to get you up to snuff with information that should be known by any experienced player but YOU don't.



That's still not a reason to go Mek, if that's what you wanted out of mek then a Magic Wand and a Helm of the Dominator is more than adequate.



What's the point of this comment? Are you trying to belittle me lol? Get off your high-horse, I respond when I have the time. Nobody in a forum like this will expect an immediate response, are you openly being arrogant? Are you getting bothered?



What facts are you basing your opinion around, information you can find on reddit? I have both facts and experience to know what I'm talking about, sometimes facts on paper look good but it doesn't work when put into trial.

I was hungry >__>



That's the only one point of what I was doing. Challenging your posts because most if it is inexperienced half-***ed horse-****, to put it bluntly. I wanted you to realize the reasons on why some items are bought on different heroes not based your on personal ideas but how it contributes to the overall strategy for a particular period of time.

It's going to come down to these type of posts anyway based on what you've responded with. You're only focusing on your hypothetical situation and you're assuming I or nobody else understands what you're trying to elaborate. Another reason why I targeted your comment about buffing Huskar is to show MAINLY you that you have little to no idea of what Huskar is capable of nor have any real idea how a player responds.

Again, if there is something you don't understand, ask relevant questions. Not go into a tangent and only focus on that point. It's one thing to broaden your thoughts but it's another to be lost in it.

Hopefully the rest of you have enough popcorn.

I never thought such a simple question would escalate into a mini-lecture on Quantum Huskar Competitive Mechanics 101.

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Well you did want a discussion so there ya go and let's continue the Huskar discussion if anybody else wants to respond

You win nubtrain. I am going to be polite and stay clear from the speech you chose for your replies
I am not going to reply to your previous post.
Your supposed *challenges* are too big for me to handle and you won't empathize with what i am saying.

Mahatma gandhi advised to turn in the other cheek if someone slaps you, this is me turning in the other cheek. If you are a sane being, you will know what was wrong with how you wrote.

I will take up the mantle from here for Kyphoid albeit for my own opinion XD

I seriously think that a Veil of Discord on huskar will work wonders for him due to insane duration of Veil of Discord (20 seconds) and its short cooldown (25 seconds.Yes.It's that less).This is almost perfect synergy with Huskar's skills as Life Break has a 12 second cooldown, meaning that Veil of Discord>immediately Life Break>magic damage fuelled hits> Life Break again can be done.

This along with a Orb of Venom implies that nobody can run from Huskar even after Life Break's slow is over.

Thoughts?

I'm going to sleep after I respond to this post, brb next time. What was wrong with how I wrote, do you mean the tone? You have a very inexperienced mindset when you view things and how things should be done. You're stuck in this one perspective and I'm trying to open more doors for you, watch pros explain their actions instead of basing your logic on your level of experience. Look up Aui_2000's replay analysis, he and I have the same or similar thought process when it comes to viewing things. Even back then when you started trolling the forums, I've held the same thought-process and stance. Why are you trying to play victim?

If my words are harsh then I apologize but look at the message I'm conveying to you. Your thought-process hardly improved and that's why I mentioned your previous moments of trolling, there's a strong resemblance in regards to how you think. If you were trying to have fun then fine, I have nothing to say about that. However, when you try to partake in a competitive discussion and provide insight on how a mek huskar should be played for example you should expect people to "challenge" that idea and progress that discussion. Would a Mek Huskar help increase his competitive pick rate? The topic at hand was why he wasn't being picked a lot competitively and anyway to improve his pickrate but you've put so much focus on that idea and when someone like me that challenges that idea, you say broad statements.

Plus I'm not even being that mean to you, if you typed that **** in other forums you'll be ridiculed to oblivion. You've tried to play the victim card at least twice, stop.

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You probably want to get it after a BKB rush (edit: or another core item). For 2650g, I don't think it's worth it to only increase your burning spear and life break damage. If anything get veil if your team comp packs a lot of magic damage.

Dont become the kyfoid nubtrain.
You are a good mentor afaik. You can always have something to argue with me and i will be okay since it adds to my knowledge. Next thing i know m gonna play a lot if huskar to understand more and come back to ask questions from you

But just bear in mind, how will you feel if someone tells you off without giving you a chance to explain?
Challenging thought process and criticising are two things that are worlds apart.

If you feel m inexperienced or that my thoughts are the same as before., i will prove you wrong in the near future.