Battle of the Hard Carries

anti mage is a counter to medusa, but even then medusa wins most lategame scenarios.

Heck, Supports can turn into Hard Carries. I've seen some vicious Ogre Magi wipeouts that are horrific to watch. My Jimmies got rustled by one in a few matches.

It's really hard to say, these things are so situational - basically they're all pretty mean late game.

I tried doing some maths to see how things worked out:





Total: 28025g

Strength: 99.4
Agility: 136.6
Intelligence: 71
MS: 350
Turn Rate: 1
Sight Range: 1800/800
Armor: 20.12
Health: 2031
Health Regen: 3.73
Mana: 923
Mana Regen: 2.85
Physical EHP: 9195.53
Magical EHP: 3610.67
%Phys Res: 54.69
%Magic Res: 25
%Lifesteal: 0
%Evasion: 51.25
%Bash: 51.25
%Miss Chance: 0
Damage: 173 to 179 (+ 247)
IAS: 291.6
BAT: 1.7
Attack Time: 0.43
Attack / Sec: 2.3
Attack Range: 128

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Total: 30150g

Strength: 155
Agility: 151.8
Intelligence: 91.6
MS: 379.5
Turn Rate: 0.4
Sight Range: 1800/800
Armor: 21.25
Health: 3395
Health Regen: 72.8
Mana: 1190.8
Mana Regen: 3.67
Physical EHP: 11882.5
Magical EHP: 4526.67
%Phys Res: 56.04
%Magic Res: 25
%Lifesteal: 0
%Evasion: 35
%Bash: 25
%Miss Chance: 0
Damage: 174 to 178 (+ 211)
IAS: 226.8
BAT: 1.7
Attack Time: 0.52
Attack / Sec: 1.92
Attack Range: 128

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Total: 28925g

Strength: 108.6
Agility: 181
Intelligence: 118.4
MS: 374
Turn Rate: 0.5
Sight Range: 1800/800
Armor: 24.34
Health: 2452
Health Regen: 3.51
Mana: 1789.2
Mana Regen: 4.75
Physical EHP: 9281.39
Magical EHP: 3269.33
%Phys Res: 59.36
%Magic Res: 25
%Lifesteal: 0
%Evasion: 35
%Bash: 35
%Miss Chance: 0
Damage: 205 to 211 (+ 223)
IAS: 241
BAT: 1.7
Attack Time: 0.5
Attack / Sec: 2.01
Attack Range: 600

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Erm...I'm still not entirely sure exactly what this tells us...other than they're all scary late game :). I'd also agree with Tim that rat Queen Naga Siren is horrifically powerful late game - it's no good being able to win fights if you can never get your bloody lanes anywhere near their base...

Wait... No Radiance or Diffusal on Spectre and no Linken's on Medusa?

Nope, gone for pure 6-slotted manfight glory (no Rapiers allowed however). Linken's Sphere, Diffusal Blade and Radiance aren't actually that good late game on these heroes.

Also, I'm not entirely sure if the site I used has counted their passives properly in things like EHP.

Obviously in reality all these heroes would have Boots of Travel, but that's a strategic thing rather than a fighting thing.

I'd say the outcome would rest a lot on the team around them, can Void hit enough heroes with Chronosphere, how effective are Haunt, Stone Gaze and Dispersal? Does anyone else have a Vladmir's Offering? Crits? Perma-bash? Backtrack procs?

Rat heroes are also super effective late game, and the likes of Sven and Tiny can also manfight like crazy, PA landing huge crits?

These are probably the best three fighting late gamers though - hit hard, great passives and great team fight.

comparing carries on a 1vs1 basis doenst make any sense to me ....especially since FV is very rng-dependant.

honestly its all dependent.

but watching a six slotted faceless void getting one shotted by a 6 slotted PA is hilarious.


seriously 2.9 k crit just blew him off the map!

in my honest opinon, spectre will never make butterfly, i would rather go one more heart and melt the **** out of people with my fooking dispersion or a monkey king bar to handle the evasion.

It does grant you good stats for your illusions though. More of an attacking thing and less of a defensive thing.

Sando, Daedalus is a no-no on Spectre :) 1v1 manfight mode doesn't count, so the 6-slot for Spectre should be Travels > Heart > Skadi > Butterfly > Manta > Satanic/Diff Blade/Abyssal.

Also, Daedalus Medusa isn't great either, you're better off with a Linkens. Or a Rapier because you ARE Medusa!

Void is about right.