Help Support Our Growing Community

DOTAFire is a community that lives to help every Dota 2 player take their game to the next level by having open access to all our tools and resources. Please consider supporting us by whitelisting us in your ad blocker!

Want to support DOTAFire with an ad-free experience? You can support us ad-free for less than $1 a month!

Go Ad-Free
Smitefire logo

Join the leading DOTA 2 community.
Create and share Hero Guides and Builds.

Create an MFN Account






Or

Force Staff vs Blink Dagger

Please review our General Rules & Guidelines before posting or commenting anywhere on DOTAFire.

Forum » Theory Crafting » Force Staff vs Blink Dagger 12 posts - page 1 of 2
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by daPhongster » October 15, 2012 5:45pm | Report
What's the difference? I know Force staff has doesn't move you as far, only in the direction you face, but why does EVERY initiator favor Blink so much more than Force Staff?

daPhongster


Notable (8)
Posts: 208
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by DirtGrub » October 15, 2012 10:51pm | Report
Force staff can also be used as an escape mechanism not only for you, but for teammates as well. so +1 for force staff, and it gives you some intelligence which is nice on a few heroes. Blink initiators want to maximize their potential and land the perfect ulty, and blink really allows you to do just that. That's why Sand King and Tidehunter buy blink if they can because their teamfight potential is all based on one skill and it needs to be placed perfect as most blink initiators have an aoe effect.

DirtGrub
<Editor>


Notable (13)
Posts: 170
Steam: DirtGrub
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hades4u » October 16, 2012 4:32am | Report
Also, Force Staff can be used in combat while Blink Dagger cannot.

But, Blink Dagger has more range, it's cheaper than Force Staff and also it's an instant blink, Force Staff is a 'push', and it's not instant.
Message me if you'd like to join our official Discord server!

Hades4u
<Community Lead>

Awards Showcase
Show more awards

Distinguished (296)
Posts: 4701
Steam: hades4you
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Captain Planet » October 16, 2012 11:07am | Report
Basically, you can not choose the location precisely were you are going to end up with force staff. Blink dagger allows that, as dirtgrub has mentioned. For heros like axe and mag that is key because axe's call and mags Ult are limited proximity to themselves. Force staff has many more uses, that is true. Escape, stats, and just relatively being cool. But, on key heroes the blink dagger is far more important and can definitely be the deciding factor of a game (I.E catching 3 guys late game with axe call or mag ult= rax gone most of the time)

Captain Planet


Notable (4)
Posts: 68
Steam: Captain Planet
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sando » October 17, 2012 2:44am | Report
Yep, all situational, I really like both items. The biggest disadvantage of Blink Dagger is the cooldown on use when you get hit by an enemy (3 seconds I think) - this makes Force Staff a much more reliable escape, plus the stats are good and you can use it on friends or enemies. (initiating by forcing an enemy out of position is always fun). However, Blink has a longer range and is more precise - try landing a perfect Black Hole with a force staff!
A full list of my guides is here

Sando
<Veteran>

Awards Showcase
Show more awards

Established (118)
Posts: 1918
View My Blog
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Glayde » October 17, 2012 9:06am | Report
IMO, Blink Dagger is more initation (Tidehunter > Ravage or Enigma -> Black Hole), whereas force staff is more for mobility, like with Pudge, Windrunner, or Rubick.

Btw, wild, stop making these useless posts, it really doesn't help anyone, and your post count doesn't really mean anything. :/

My Hero Guides: Furion
My Ideas for Dota: Iron Guardian, Rafael, the Split Being
Check this out.

Glayde


Notable (13)
Posts: 672
Steam: Zephyr
View My Blog
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Glayde » October 17, 2012 9:08pm | Report
So why not just play Dota? Or actually contribute to the question. :\

My Hero Guides: Furion
My Ideas for Dota: Iron Guardian, Rafael, the Split Being
Check this out.

Glayde


Notable (13)
Posts: 672
Steam: Zephyr
View My Blog
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Poetastrophe » January 5, 2013 8:34am | Report
Force Staff is arguably a better item if your hero does not need great positioning but needs a reliable escape mechanism, while you aim to get bigger items in the long run. It also gives you some cheap stats and you can chase/force your opponent into an unfavorable position and you can save your teammates, too.
Example of heroes that can use it effectively:
Windrunner (mainly to land the ability, Shackleshot), Outworld Destroyer (Escape and to force squishy enemies to get up close and personal, while the 10 Int is not going to waste), Batrider (dragging your opponent with you to make it 4v5).

While Blink Dagger opens a world of possibilities if you can make use of its great instant positioning, it is almost always used by initiators, because they need to be quick, instant and surprising, it is only a good escape mechanism, if you have developed good reflexes, otherwise you will probably just die because you did not buy Force Staff instead, but it offers great chasing utility, and since Blink Dagger is one of my favorite items, I dare say, with my impartiality, that it is effective on almost any hero.
But heroes that use it exceptionally well is:
Sand King (it is core, no matter what, you can even shift-que, so every single pulse will hit the enemies), Invoker (land a perfect Deafening Blast, Chaos Meteor and EMP), Batrider (surprise! You are dead), Shadow Fiend ( Requiem of Souls damage combined with a BKB to secure the casting: And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor
Shall be lifted - Nevermore!).

Poetastrophe


Notable (4)
Posts: 55
Steam: Poetastrophe
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » January 5, 2013 5:46pm | Report
Blink Dagger = Better Initiation Tool
Force Staff = Better escape tool

Both can be used for initiation and juking but one does better than the other. With Blink Dagger you can position yourself instantly for easy Shackleshot chains while Force Staff you need timing and better positioning to do the same.

Nubtrain
<Veteran>

Awards Showcase
Show more awards

Memorable (58)
Posts: 1078
Steam: Nubtrain
View My Blog
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Vash » January 10, 2013 9:36pm | Report
Not to go off subject, but I think this analysis should also include Shadow Blade. This particular item's effect gives more of an initiation than Force Staff, and can at times be even better than the Blink Dagger because of the extra abilities it brings to the table. This is why you'll see it picked up by Shadow Fiend, Sniper, and (slow as a boat) Kunkka. However, it's not without it's faults and I would be the first to point out it's vulnerabilities to a good dusting.

So, if daPhongster doesn't mind, I feel adding Shadow Blade to the mix would make good conversation as well.
"I'm like a hunter of peace. One who chases the elusive mayfly of love... or something like that." - Vash the Stampede

Lest we forget...

Vash


Notable (10)
Posts: 231

Quick Reply

Please log in or sign up to post!

DOTAFire is the place to find the perfect build guide to take your game to the next level. Learn how to play a new hero, or fine tune your favorite DotA hero’s build and strategy.

Copyright © 2019 DOTAFire | All Rights Reserved