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Discussion: Octarine Core

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Forum » Theory Crafting » Discussion: Octarine Core 55 posts - page 5 of 6
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Cuttleboss » October 20, 2015 3:51pm | Report
I like the idea of categorizing some heroes in AP, like Necrophos if he counts.
I like heroes that are AP and AD hybrids, relying on a mix of spell damage that scales to some extent and their right clicks as well. Bristleback, Razor with a Aghs Refresher build, and Spectre if you count Dispersion as a AP carry skill, since it doesn't weaponize her right clicks.


Terathiel wrote:

Back on topic without this ******ed argument about terminology... because AP stands for ability power and it's easy to type which is why I was using it... an AP carry would be someone whose spells scale with damage and their cooldown is reduced by attack speed. Boom, easy. Now someone make a hero idea about this cause I'm in the middle of the HSC block.


Hey Tera, I made the hero Cosmic Crawler, I'd say a pretty big AP carry, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Blubbles » October 20, 2015 4:01pm | Report
*Sees AP and AD*
*Chokes a little inside because its too League for me*
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » October 21, 2015 12:29am | Report
Cuttleboss wrote:

I like the idea of categorizing some heroes in AP, like Necrophos if he counts.
I like heroes that are AP and AD hybrids, relying on a mix of spell damage that scales to some extent and their right clicks as well. Bristleback, Razor with a Aghs Refresher build, and Spectre if you count Dispersion as a AP carry skill, since it doesn't weaponize her right clicks.


Well that's definitely "ability power", but that's not really "carry" material. Carry material means scaling...and there are actually few scaling skills.

For example Necrophos can deal tons of damage with his ult, but when his ult is on cooldown, his damage output is severely limited. So he's definitely a semi-carry, but not more, because he lacks sustained damage (that's why I put Tinker and Timbersaw, because they have sustained damage with low cooldowns). Heartstopper Aura only scales as a damage source with how long he can stay alive...and that's actually getting shorter and shorter when the game goes late. Besides Necro scales with levels mostly, not farm (for example a support Necro with Ghost Scepter and Force Staff as only items is actually likely to survive longer in a fight than a core Necro with mass tank items).

Razor with aghs/refresher, there's no scaling. Aghs/refresher Razor is a "go high ground and end the game in the next 10 minutes" full push build, not a carry build. It falls off pretty hard to be honest, since it has no synergy with Static Link which is the only ability that gives the hero some scaling when combined with survivability and attack speed items.

Spectre or Bristleback, definitely, although they're more like "tanks" over ability power heroes, since it's a passive that does the job. I guess it still works.


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So now I can just start indeed writing everything here in Portuguese since the little tool called google solves all comunication problems


No, see, I think we still have to wait for some advances in technology to be able to do that.

https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/Eu%20quero%20comer%20uma%20maca

Because right now... XD
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Terathiel » October 21, 2015 1:48am | Report
Google translate helps me patch up my out-of-practice German

Ich leide von einer schrecklichen Falle Morgen Holz und habe niemanden, um das Problem zu lindern.

Not sure how correct that is but if anyone who speaks German translates that they're in for a shock :D
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Lysia » October 21, 2015 8:48am | Report
It's OT: But to said Terathiel I am native German and after minutes your sentence still doesnt make any sense.

So maybe you have to wait for a better google...

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by michimatsch » October 21, 2015 9:20am | Report
Yep. this makes no sense at all

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » October 21, 2015 9:21am | Report
Ah... how the term nuker for heroes like Leshrac and Skywrath has fallen ;/

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » October 21, 2015 9:26am | Report
I just think you need a better translation for "wood". Like...a non literal one. Rest is fine IMO xD
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Cuttleboss » October 21, 2015 11:03am | Report
On the topic of Octarine Core, how often would you buy it over Scythe of Vyse on Doom?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sanvitch » October 21, 2015 11:18am | Report
If the game goes super late, Octarine Core is probably legit. But given Sheep Stick is almost always the last pick-up on Doom, it's gonna be rare you build either I think, because you have a lot of other priorities.

Since you just can't have enough Chaos Breaker.

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