Naga is officially the best lategame hero.

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It was only a mere math count, nothing about the void/naga clash.
Btw i think you hit the spot, the problem it's not how fat a carry can get, but how fast and how difficult is to stop him while he do so (sry for english!XD)

The problem with naga it's not how you manfight her 1vs1, the problem is that a smart player will never give you the chance to do it, so it's quite useless to have a 6 slotted void if you spend half of your time travelling aound the map!

If you add to naa a couple of heroes with great escape/intiation potential like Storm spirit/bat rider (damned alliiance) it's really hard to set up anything if you don't do it fast (b4 30 minuts at least),

I think the answer to that is early aggression and/or a good way to clean creepwaves, so that you make splitpushing way less effective, not tryng to outcarry her and hope for a good teamfight. (i mean na'vi did manage to kill her once and she had 10k gold waitnig for buyback......)

Pretty much, there aren't many Heroes that can get the jump on a Naga and keep her locked down once she's Fed, not to mention, there are 4 other Heroes to protect her. Only can do this really.

The best counter to a "Hard" Carry is of course, shutting them down and winning early on. Take away Naga's Jungle and she's limited as to where she can Farm.

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+ + on > + on .

I wouldn't say that, look at TI2, Naga was stronger back then and Void still beat her, makes or breaks the fight.
Why is it all coming down to 1v1 with carries? doesn't win in direct engagements, she wins with split pushing. She's a team fight controller relying on the supporting cast to make the most out of when it comes to said engagements.
and would throttle her, but that's a risky game play trying to out farm a . in theory may be able to keep close with a decent timing, but naga will still get hers first. needs half a century to farm.
If you're looking to out-carry naga is say the plan is flawed, where it's much easier to go for a strong, aggressive lineup that deprives her of the early space and keeps her and her team on the back foot.

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Why 1v1 at all? DotA is a TEAM game. The whole point is that you work as a team! So what this should be all about is which line-up Naga is EFFECTIVE against.

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Well, this, and the fact that you don't know for sure which is a real Naga, and which is an illusion - no point jumping in with only to waste it on a nothing unit. With a and you're going to have a hard time telling the difference without attacking her a few times...in which case she can if she feels seriously threatened.

As noted above, you've really got to shut her down early game - but it can still be tricky - if Na'vi (a team noted for their early aggression) can kill all their outer towers in a relatively short time and are miles ahead...but can't finish the job against a well played ratting team...who can? They were miles ahead on gold/xp, but couldn't get round the constant Naga split. Sure, it's possible, but I think there is a game balance issue here.

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Very possible there's a game balance issue, but not so much with . She's been nerfed rather hard compared to her dominant TI2 incarnation. Navi had a solid lineup, but with an and , mind you, a blink SF, they were aiming for early-mid team fighting to take advantage of + . Not necessarily the best for chasing around heroes dodging fights and constantly catching xboct and I believe kuro out.
The best counters would be something similar to DKs lineup last night centered around with a bunch of heals and a from to make those early fights and laning hell. Aggressive laners ruin her life

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I'm watching the Titan vs Newbee game right now, and got countered really hard.. In response to Titan's Naga, Newbee picked a mid, safelane and offlane with two aggressive supports in and .

They went for level 1 Roshan, put it on DK to make sure his early game was good, and started 5 man pushing towers hard. In 16 minutes, they had two lanes of rax. In 18 minutes, it was GG.

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That is why you dont pick naga against newbie. They always go for early game push with big teamfight.
Its also the reason why i dont consider them a serious canidate for the title. That said they did just beat navi but their arent in great shape.

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They might actually surprise you.. They won an hour long game against iG to get into the winner's bracket..

To me, Newbee is looking surprisingly good for an underdog team.. I mean, TongFu was decent in TI3 and it was only the fountain hook combos that stopped them from eliminating Na'Vi during TI3, but I never considered them a top tier team.. So it's definitely surprising to see them win 3 BO3s in a row today..

I'm loving TI4 so far.. The picks/strategies/combos, everything is so fresh..

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The STRONGFU as returned! I feel like their last game was well in their control with a last pick ember, as there wasn't enough lockdown to control him along with everything else IG had to deal with. I feel like Newbee can dismantle Vici, but DK or EG I'm not so certain, I feel like the latter 2 teams are much more unpredictable and DK especially, when they're on they're the best in the world.

Newbee demonstrated what aggressiveness does to Naga for sure, thank god, such a boring hero

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