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Unorthodox builds, yes or no?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyphoid returns » November 22, 2014 8:40am | Report
Hell yeah unorthodox builds are the ones that once they get affirmed or used in pro scene, are written in history books.
If you dont try new things, the game will leave you behind. Thats what happens with meta change. Look at what happened to alch or to nightstalker. The game asks you to learn new heroes, execute new things unconventionally. If people were to be hell bent on playing carry siren, we would never have had a support naga siren.
People would never try to go elder titan semi carry, but they just dont know what hes capable of.
All i am saying, given hero flexibility as a good player you OUGHT to go unorthodox builds. Try necronomicon manta diffusal on void against an omni. Try supporting with medusa. Go critshaker. Go carry with windranger.
Be free from the politics of drafting well. After all, it is a pub and a game is played beacuse it is supposed to be fun.

A word of caution: try it in bots first
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kentard » November 22, 2014 10:58pm | Report
With the release of 6.82, we'd say that there is slightly less reason to stray from the meta; a 4 protect 1 or 3 protect 2 strategy primarily ensures good sustainability in the late-game, and given the introduction of carries with excellent early game potential (moreso with the buffs), for instance Sven, and most notably PA, there is a greater call for more orthodox plays to minimize collateral damage in the early-mid game. However, the converse is actually more true - with better competitive playstyle and active ganking of carries, we find that there is a greater call for less predictable ganks.

The rationale is simple - people don't know how to counter these unorthodox plays, or spend more time doing so. The Beastmaster Hawk + BOT combo, for instance, is still very relevant if pulled off successfully, and greatly counters blindly clashing into teamfights. Fountain Hooking now, if anything, should be more viable to eliminate key players from fights, and the very same fountain hooks cemented Dendi's reputation as an excellent clutch player (if not the best in Dota 2 history), and Na'Vi as a wildcard team that, while less relevant in the current meta which focuses on stable cores, can make drastic impacts on games.

6.81 saw the rise of the deathball meta and good clutch plays, for instance Pudge Hooks or Mirana Arrows. It is imperative that this still remains alive to counter active turtling strategies.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » November 22, 2014 11:24pm | Report
Soul Ring + Mask of Madness on any hero. Allows you to roam like crazy.

Example : Oracle, Juggernaut, Clinkz for the lulz (hey kyphoid), Enchantress, Wraith King, Sven...
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Smuggels » November 23, 2014 12:55am | Report
just played a game with a CK mid.... he went three bracers first with a iron branch then two blades of attak into soul ring into phase into mask of madness into 3x battlefuries... into heart .... i ... u wot

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » November 23, 2014 1:01am | Report
Smuggels wrote:

just played a game with a CK mid.... he went three bracers first with a iron branch then two blades of attak into soul ring into phase into mask of madness into 3x battlefuries... into heart .... i ... u wot


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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by KoDyAbAbA » November 23, 2014 1:21am | Report
I made a Diffusal Blade on Sniper once.Many tears were shed that day.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyphoid returns » November 23, 2014 2:12am | Report
Hamstertamer wrote:

Soul Ring + Mask of Madness on any hero. Allows you to roam like crazy.

Example : Oracle, Juggernaut, Clinkz for the lulz (hey kyphoid), Enchantress, Wraith King, Sven...

I saw what you did there......

MoM + Soul ring is legit on oracle.
And mass glass cannon synergistic focus fire approach is 100% win rate boys.

And iif you give clinkz the false promise, its better for the enemy to quit.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by TheSofa » November 23, 2014 7:31am | Report
Hey, no one said tripe boots aren't good. I did the maths for them, they aren't as bad as you think.

But yeah, I used to go really crazy items on Mirana.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by KrDotoBestDoto » November 23, 2014 8:04am | Report
My usual Windrunner build used to be Diffusal Blade into Skull Basher and Monkey King Bar.
Basically Focus Fire the dangerous guy.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » November 23, 2014 8:54am | Report
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MoM + Soul ring is legit on oracle.


It's not. You'll die in the end from False Promise. What nobody seems to understand is that False Promise does not give invincibility, just delays the inevitable. That is why carry Oracle is as viable as carry Crystal Maiden.

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