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Poll Question:


Can win?
Nope
Yes
Maybe, but hard
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hades4u » November 11, 2013 5:05am | Report
You got a lot of abilities that are good against anti pushing, you can just stop their push with four man while the fifth is pushing another lane, it's an easy to win match.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by shroy » November 11, 2013 6:12am | Report
lol that aa has as many lh as naix.....he could have tried necronomicon if more push was what u needed.....skadi not a good item in that situation wer u need more push

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » November 11, 2013 7:21am | Report
Let's analyze the game:
  • Dust of Appearance and Observer Wards would've been super useful in this game: I don't know if the supports bought them consistently, but getting a few early kills is very simple when enemies can't escape and you know their position.

  • You had two between the most powerful STR carries, Lifestealer and Ursa, that with the right item choices are gg as soon as you pick them. N'aix had no Phase Boots nor Drums, so chasing Shadow Blade carriers wasn't easy at all I assume; Ursa had no Blink Dagger to jump on enemies either, even though his own SB is almost a valid substitute. Even Ancient Apparition made a big mistake: getting a Shiva's Guard would've been a lot better, especially against five carries and illusions.

  • Your supports had two Mekansms, could've chosen better support items like Ghost Scepter.

  • Most importantly, I don't see a single Town Portal Scroll in your team aside from CM. Again, I don't know how many you've bought, but simply having a TPing Crystal Maiden or Lifestealer would've discouraged split pushes.


On the other side, the enemies did a lot of mistakes too: I don't see TP scrolls on them either, their carries have no BKB and there's not a single support in their team. Also, they probably didn't ward either, and they had two Vlad's (1700 gold that give absolutely no benefits).


In my opinion, having a split pushing Ursa (as he had a Shadow Blade) while the rest of the team stayed near towers to defend and farm would've won the game, or at least balanced their early advantage by destroying a couple towers. The gold and GPM aren't that one-sided.
Obviously, if one of the enemies got fed early on and your carry couldn't make up for the gold difference that's different, but I'm pretty sure your Ursa got fed too.


shroy wrote:

lol that aa has as many lh as naix.....

AA was mid though, when you have two carries and a mid Hero it's pretty normal to find an "underfarmed" carry.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by shroy » November 11, 2013 10:46am | Report

Let's analyze the game:
  • Dust of Appearance and Observer Wards would've been super useful in this game: I don't know if the supports bought them consistently, but getting a few early kills is very simple when enemies can't escape and you know their position.

  • You had two between the most powerful STR carries, Lifestealer and Ursa, that with the right item choices are gg as soon as you pick them. N'aix had no Phase Boots nor Drums, so chasing Shadow Blade carriers wasn't easy at all I assume; Ursa had no Blink Dagger to jump on enemies either, even though his own SB is almost a valid substitute. Even Ancient Apparition made a big mistake: getting a Shiva's Guard would've been a lot better, especially against five carries and illusions.

  • Your supports had two Mekansms, could've chosen better support items like Ghost Scepter.

  • Most importantly, I don't see a single Town Portal Scroll in your team aside from CM. Again, I don't know how many you've bought, but simply having a TPing Crystal Maiden or Lifestealer would've discouraged split pushes.


On the other side, the enemies did a lot of mistakes too: I don't see TP scrolls on them either, their carries have no BKB and there's not a single support in their team. Also, they probably didn't ward either, and they had two Vlad's (1700 gold that give absolutely no benefits).


In my opinion, having a split pushing Ursa (as he had a Shadow Blade) while the rest of the team stayed near towers to defend and farm would've won the game, or at least balanced their early advantage by destroying a couple towers. The gold and GPM aren't that one-sided.
Obviously, if one of the enemies got fed early on and your carry couldn't make up for the gold difference that's different, but I'm pretty sure your Ursa got fed too.



AA was mid though, when you have two carries and a mid Hero it's pretty normal to find an "underfarmed" carry.

yeah agree with u abt their item choices but both naix and ursa are good junglers so 1 of them could have jungled and ogre could have soloed hard lane being a tank....
also abt aa's lh i meant he could have gone for sumthing more pushing oriented like necronomicon as those 2 can clear creep waves very fast instead of a skadi.....
oh and yeah ur ursa looks he was fed nicely......did u guys try to prolong game?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by shroy » November 11, 2013 10:49am | Report
oh and peppo_opacio ursa's agility

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » November 11, 2013 11:22am | Report
shroy wrote:

yeah agree with u abt their item choices but both naix and ursa are good junglers so 1 of them could have jungled and ogre could have soloed hard lane being a tank....
also abt aa's lh i meant he could have gone for sumthing more pushing oriented like necronomicon as those 2 can clear creep waves very fast instead of a skadi.....
oh and yeah ur ursa looks he was fed nicely......did u guys try to prolong game?

They're not that good as jungling Heroes: I'm not sure about Ursa, but Lifestealer gets underlevelled in jungle unless you rush a Hand of Midas. If I had to choose the "good" junglers I would just put there Nature's Prophet (still not sure about him though, off-lane Furion is better), Chen, Enchantress, Enigma and maybe Doom; the others can jungle but are way more efficient in lane because they farm quicker and/or get easy kills. Midas Lifestealer is good though, still better than not getting neither Drums nor Midas.
About AA, yes he bought the wrong item and I completely agree with you. Same for Ursa, he could've bought a Skull Basher/ Butterfly instead of Heart and BF.

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