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Arc Warden - Heavy Support/Harder Carry - Most Enjoyable Guide

December 20, 2015 by GeRoCk
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GeRoCk | December 20, 2015 7:21am
Blubbles wrote:

this guide is pretty unprofessional and kind of choppy. Id recoommend not using "rly", "u", "ppl" and actually typing it out. And some detailed explainations would be nice.

Has potential just doesnt meet it. the formatting looks okay though!


-Never heard it from anybody yet that this make something unprofessial, i´ll consider chaniging it.
Also i am not consequent because i write very much on the internet i got you and u in the text.

-I wrote in the guide that it's not 100% finished, i am working on videos on which i can explain all more detailed.

Anyway your comment was positive and well willing i´ll give u a +rep :)
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Blubbles (13) | December 19, 2015 8:44pm
this guide is pretty unprofessional and kind of choppy. Id recoommend not using "rly", "u", "ppl" and actually typing it out. And some detailed explainations would be nice.

Has potential just doesnt meet it. the formatting looks okay though!
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Hamstertamer (89) | December 19, 2015 3:57pm
GeRoCk wrote:

u are blind, i added the midas December 19, 2015 4:32am


Nobody is blind, you just don't know how to publish guides. Click "publish" to publish a guide. Clicking "save" will only save the guide to your user space but won't make it available for everyone to see.
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GeRoCk | December 19, 2015 3:40pm
u are blind, i added the midas December 19, 2015 4:32am
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Pocciox (2) | December 19, 2015 11:53am
No midas keepo
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Ab4ddon._.E43 (12) | December 19, 2015 10:44am
No midas? Sorry wrong build.
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GeRoCk | December 19, 2015 4:32am
Hamstertamer wrote:

The absence of Hand of Midas is troubling, since he's the best user of the item in the game.

Zeus is not a problem to AW in any way. Actually if you're playing AW mid against Zeus it's the easiest lane ever and later in the game he can do literally nothing against you, since AW is supposed to split push and Zeus cannot gank or counterpush effectively.

And if you want to make a guide about AW as a support I think you need a LOT more explanations as to why it's viable. A lot of people including me think that support AW...pretty much sucks, because this hero is nothing without items and as a support he has no way to get any kind of farm.


Thank you i didn't saw that i don't added Hand of Midas i also forgot to add the Boots of Travel

I dont see an Arc Warden winning a mid vs Zeus , also is he the most mentioned counter on Reddit discussions.
Arc Warden has no HP Regeneration, nor has he burst dmg which means the damage trade is absolutley not worthy and soon you´ll be hugging the tower.

I dont get your point what counter has to do with countering his ability to push.
Zeus can't push as fast as Arc Warden nor can he gank alone in late game thats true but it isn't the point.
Arc Warden is a low HP Hero so u cant be in teamfight vs. Zeus without a certain build.
If you abandon the teamfight to split push, your team requires a 4 vs 5 matchup.
A 4 vs 5 Match Up vs a Sniper or Zeus and some other heroes are rly bad.
Which makes Zeus a counter to Arc Warden , if u play late game vs Zeus he is nor your problem but is a bigger threat to your team when you are absent.
Also you can just combine the Zeus with a Riki, you are pushing get caught by Riki.
Meanwhile Zeus R + Refresher + R , you are dead.
Any hero which doesn't need to be active in fights is a problem for Arc Warden since he has only a slow and not stuns.

Your last thing about many ppl think Arc Warden is a bad support.
Many ppl i talked to think he is a bad carry me including since he needs hell of items.
I played from my yet 4 games with him 3 times as support without a Hand of Midas and i did rly great. I also mostly play Ancient Apparition without it since i am skilled enough to get my gold trough kills rly fast.
Anyway Scythe of Vyseis a rly good item, its also good on Carrys like Ursa
Phantom Lancer Meepo or sometimes even an Anti-Mage.
Since u can use this and any other support items twice i think he is the best support for Carrys like that.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2007746496
Here i supported, Sven with 2 Scythe there was just no escape.


http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2010654646
Here i supported with getting double Atos and Necro, Troll Warlord Templar Assassin and
Death Prophet couldn't chase long nor could they escape when the fight took to long.
The only smart guy in this round was Bristleback , the Sniper always ran out of my
Magnetic Field when he was getting attacked and died, also he stood always at the tip of our fight dying first.
Since we already had 3 Carrys, helping them won the game and since there are better Carries than Arc Warden out there its always the best option in my opinion for competetive play.
But who should i judge i always play Earthshaker as Carry :D


http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2008036400
This Game there was a Phantom Lancer in the enemy team.
I bought Mjolnir , Pl attacked someone i casted Mjolnir on the unit.
He wanted to attack someone else i used Tempest Double and Mjolnir on the other unit.
Oh teamfight took to long for their team Phantom Lancer half hp without doing any dmg.
Silencer ulti went out, our win.

Ah and well the Guide will be finished in some days i wrote in the guide that i want to explain the abuse of the hero abilites and make some videos to explain it more :)
Also i mention those storys in my guide normally as u may see.
There will be an explanation of every item and when to get.
A bit like in this Guide of my 70% Winrate Huskar Click
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Hamstertamer (89) | December 19, 2015 12:46am
The absence of Hand of Midas is troubling, since he's the best user of the item in the game.

Zeus is not a problem to AW in any way. Actually if you're playing AW mid against Zeus it's the easiest lane ever and later in the game he can do literally nothing against you, since AW is supposed to split push and Zeus cannot gank or counterpush effectively.

And if you want to make a guide about AW as a support I think you need a LOT more explanations as to why it's viable. A lot of people including me think that support AW...pretty much sucks, because this hero is nothing without items and as a support he has no way to get any kind of farm.
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