Help Me Carry

PA in the same league as the other three? Hmmmmmm Smuggels.....

ok so this depends on your actual hero but im thinking you mean hard carry
so PA FV MEDUSA SPEC
this is what i do:

Phantom Assassin is a much stronger mid game hero than a late game hero (It's when her skills are proportionately more impactful. Especially Blur. She can be built into late game, but doesn't scale as well into it as other hard carries, and is better as a mid-game hero than then optimises for late. Because she doesn't want to AFK farm, she wants to fight. A lot.

Correct :) though she does need a BKB or at least some core item before she can really make an impact. thats why its "farm till 2 core" so usually you should have 1 core by 10-13 mins my usual time for bf or bkb. your still laning at this stage. so i think your just expecting pub times for core items which is like 30-30 mins. mid game starts at 15 mins or close to so yea what your saying is correct and is pretty much how i explained it.

Spectre is more of an AFK farmer, given she's one of the most passive heroes in the game, but she has the ability to jump into team-fights and clean up kills with Haunt, and she should whenever she can safely. Thus why Urn of Shadows is such a good pick-up on her.

kinda what i said "look for opertunistic fights or pick offs in the mean time"

Faceless Void is to powerful early to just sit an afk farm. Like you farm you hit Mask of Madness, get a pick off, join your team for team-fights where possible (With obvious farming in the meantime). But Void is definately not a hero who sits out of team-fights to farm up. He's kinda snowbally, because he has no inbuilt farm accelerator.

that pretty much what i said as well. and i never said "sit out of a team fight"

Medusa can actually be relevent in mid game fights. Stone Gaze is an incredible team-fight ability. Likewise Mystic Snake is an incredibly powerful nuke, and is great for fights. And she's really tanky even with only like a Manta Style because of Mana Shield scaling. She obviously won't have massive DPS, but she's still worth bringing into fights, because she can win them really well.

relevant ? yes... actually usefull hmmmm maybe. if her ulti is down she is useless. thats why i prioritise her when ulti is down and then try and bait it out early game. she is just too easy to fight early game without her ulti. shes slow got horrible EHP even mid game. she needs stats and when she does she can be very scary but the playstyle is very farm dependent. you can really fight when ulti is down so you are *if your smart* going to miss fights because ... well until you are fat your going to be useless without ulti.


@OP: A lot of it depends on the hero and game in question. It's a skill you have to learn more than be taught. Understanding the limitations of what your hero can and can't achieve at a given time is a good start, since it goes a long way to dictating whether you should be with your team or not. If your hero is useless without the next item, and your team can still take fights, it's best to just farm/just take last hits on hero kills.

I'd suggest find a couple of carry's you like, then watch say pro games of that hero being used (It's not perfect, since you presumably aren't in a co-ordniated stack), but it does help you get a sense for what a carry can achieve with what at a given time.

But as you said, it will become something intuitive eventually. Maybe watch replays, or get someone to watch yours over, and analyse your decision making of these things at a given time. It's probably better than watching the pro plays for you in honesty, since you can also view your progress at the same time.

Hope this was helpful, and not just... wrong.

^^ pretty correct. what he said.