Outdated items made, different role choose and item build.

this sounds like kyfoid ... anyone ? anyone ? seriously ... i am having kyfoid feelings all over my body right now ... being serious though ...

lol nyx assassin as a dps carry ... i actually got a really good chuckle out of that hahaha :)

I DO! I liked FEAR's ideas at the beginning, but some of them are without a clear justification. Kyfoid had a much more solid reasoning though, he would keep on supporting his point of view with things that had sense from his (still wrong) point of view.


To make things clear, DPS Veno and Venge are actually pretty good semi-carries in pubs; they just don't fit as hard carries since they fall off after level 16 (if not before).

DPS Nyx is really bad though: if you want to one-shot Heroes get a Dagon instead of items for higher damage with Vendetta; if you want to be more than a ganker (that becomes useless in teamfights) get a Blink Dagger and focus on initiating.

Carry Magnus is pretty bad in pubs too, since you can let someone else get all that farm as a Blink Dagger is enough to land a spell that wins fights: you don't necessarily need items to win that fights, hence why he's usually ran as a mid. You can still get a Battle Fury or something to amplify your cleave damage, but a Blink Dagger is still required.

So you're saying that life can be proven with math and even Dota? Maybe other things in the world? What if some guy GF cheats on him and how is he gonna know that she cheats on him? Oh wait he will calculate it with maths: V(S)=\{(t_{1},\dots ,t_{n})|\forall p\in S,p(t_{1},\dots ,t_{n})=0\}.\, x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}-1=0,\,
x+y+z=0.\, and he would say: this proves that you cheated on me. Everything can't be proven by math know that.

Tbh i think, that there is a difference in our definitions of the term "carry" here.
Most people here (including myself) see a carry as some1 who does heavy rightclick damage and usually is a hero, who can wipe a whole team by himself, if farmed well enough. To some other people (like F.E.A.R.0) its apparently any hero that is able to to deal huge amounts of damage to the enemy team.

The problem with heroes like Venomancer, Nyx Assassin and Magnus is, that they do very little damage when their spells are on cooldown. Nyx's and Venomancers rightclick arent really impressive and Magnus Empower is more effective on heroes who actually have skills that increase their right-click damage, rather than on himself (same goes for VS' Vengeance Aura and Wave of Terror). REAL hardcarries on the other hand have a consistently high damage output, since they dont have to rely on cooldowns and mana. Usually their damage also isnt mitigated by things like Black King Bar, Linken's Sphere or silences of any sort, making their damage a much more reliable lategame force.

Its true though, that its quite easy for heroes like Venomancer or Nyx Assassin to win games single handedly if they get early kills as they dont really need those expensive items to increase their damage.....all they really need is exp. --> a 5-man level 3 Poison Nova does ridiculous amounts of damage already...even without rightclicks. Same goes for nyx. And that is exactly the reason, why those heroes are very good support choices --> they can deal insane amounts of damage with basically no items at all.

a) ranked mmr 4000+ with a veno carry... i doubt u r in that ranked mm

i have been playing certain hero's in certain ways and i have had some great success with them, and since i have great success with these builds i now think that these are the best way to play these heroes. i will now show everyone how to play these heroes...

now he never said we should and if we dont were noobs, he never said his is the only way and he never said that by not playing these builds were going to lose, so i guess when you look at it from that view. each to their own.

but still.... deadalus on nyx? ... whyyy

i have been playing certain hero's in certain ways and i have had some great success with them, and since i have great success with these builds i now think that these are the best way to play these heroes. i will now show everyone how to play these heroes...

now he never said we should and if we dont were noobs, he never said his is the only way and he never said that by not playing these builds were going to lose, so i guess when you look at it from that view. each to their own.

True, if he at least tried to explain why he believes these builds work, we might be able to take him seriously.

but still.... deadalus on nyx? ... whyyy