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Crystal Maiden Ownage!1!!!1

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Bunkansee » July 9, 2014 8:38am | Report
TheSofa wrote:

Ah, a comparison between Crystal Maiden and Ancient Apparition. I was just talking about this with my friends the other day.

Similarities:

The have similar skills:

Ice Vortex and Crystal Nova. The former has magic damage increase, the latter has damage. The former's radius is smaller, but has a shorter cooldown.
Cold Feet and Frostbite. the former is a stun, the latter is a anti-blink and movement thing. The former needs setup or a dumb opponent.
Chilling Touch and Arcane Aura. The former boots damage, the latter boosts mana, thus the former is better lategame, and the latter is better early game.

Ice Blast VS Freezing Field.

PROS
Freezing Field
  • A LOT more damage
  • Slows
  • Scepter upgradable.
Ice Blast
  • Instant shatter if bellow a certain health
  • Global cast range
  • Relatively short cooldown.
  • Prevents healing

CONS
Freezing Field
  • Channelled
  • Very high manacost. (Think Pugna)
  • You have to be in or close to the middle of the teamfight.
  • Longer cooldown.
Ice Blast
  • Small radius if cast from close-range
  • Long time before shot actually comes, enemies can see it coming and get out.

STATS

CM has higher Strength gain
AA has higher Agility gain
CM has higer Intelligence gain
AA has higher movement speed.


Cm for the win me thinks.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by porygon361 » July 9, 2014 8:42am | Report
TheSofa wrote:

Ah, a comparison between Crystal Maiden and Ancient Apparition. I was just talking about this with my friends the other day.

Similarities:

The have similar skills:

Ice Vortex and Crystal Nova. The former has magic damage increase, the latter has damage. The former's radius is smaller, but has a shorter cooldown.
Cold Feet and Frostbite. the former is a stun, the latter is a anti-blink and movement thing. The former needs setup or a dumb opponent.
Chilling Touch and Arcane Aura. The former boots damage, the latter boosts mana, thus the former is better lategame, and the latter is better early game.

Ice Blast VS Freezing Field.

PROS
Freezing Field
  • A LOT more damage
  • Slows
  • Scepter upgradable.
Ice Blast
  • Instant shatter if bellow a certain health
  • Global cast range
  • Relatively short cooldown.
  • Prevents healing

CONS
Freezing Field
  • Channelled
  • Very high manacost. (Think Pugna)
  • You have to be in or close to the middle of the teamfight.
  • Longer cooldown.
Ice Blast
  • Small radius if cast from close-range
  • Long time before shot actually comes, enemies can see it coming and get out.

STATS

CM has higher Strength gain
AA has higher Agility gain
CM has higer Intelligence gain
AA has higher movement speed.


Ancient Apparition's Ice Blast can be upgraded, and Ice Blast's "tracer" shot cannot be seen by your enemies.

Oh yes they see it with true sight on the minimap.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by TheSofa » July 9, 2014 8:46am | Report
What's the Agh's upgrade? it's not on the DotaFire database. EDITOR!!
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Seagull » July 9, 2014 8:58am | Report
TheSofa wrote:

What's the Agh's upgrade? it's not on the DotaFire database. EDITOR!!

Aghs gives you a 17 second duration in the debuff
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Xyrus » July 9, 2014 4:47pm | Report
TheSofa wrote:

What's the Agh's upgrade? it's not on the DotaFire database. EDITOR!!

Seagull wrote:

Aghs gives you a 17 second duration in the debuff

Edit: Nvm, realised you were talking about AA, not CM. ._.

Fixed! Including the fact that the Frostbite Effect goes through Magic Immunity! 8{3

Edited edit: By the gods Mastadoom, give a man a chance! -_-
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by mastadoom » July 9, 2014 4:50pm | Report
Xyrus wrote:


I changed it recently (after noticing some errors while looking at it in Bunkansee's guide), anything in YELLOW refers to the Aghs upgrade. It is in there!

Are you sure? I've double checked the Wiki and Liquidpedia and neither mention any Duration increase.

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Crystal_Maiden

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Crystal_Maiden

You're going to have to provide a source for this.


http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Ancient_Apparition

also look in game, duration goes up to 17 with aghs at all levels. other than that, nothing changes.
tiny:
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Crystal maiden:
http://www.dotafire.com/dota-2/guide/cold-as-your-heart-8079

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http://www.dotafire.com/dota-2/guide/the-earth-trembles-8212
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Xyrus » July 9, 2014 4:57pm | Report
TheSofa wrote:

Chilling Touch and Arcane Aura. The former boots damage, the latter boosts mana, thus the former is better lategame, and the latter is better early game.

Have you never seen a Tri-Lane with an AA in it? 450 free Magical Damage at lvl1 is way better than a little bit of Mana! 8{3
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Cm for the win me thinks.

Think what you like, it's a fact that AA is better, which overrides all opinion! 8{3
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Cataclysm2146 » July 9, 2014 6:07pm | Report
Xyrus wrote:


I can get an easy Double Killsteal from the other side of the Map while I Farm My Carry's Creeps. I don't need an Ultra Kill! >8{D
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Xyrus » July 9, 2014 6:52pm | Report
Xyrus wrote:

I can get an easy Double Killsteal from the other side of the Map while I Farm My Carry's Creeps. I don't need an Ultra Kill! >8{D

I don't remember saying this so...why is it so accurate? 8{3
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » July 10, 2014 12:18am | Report
By the way, AA wins this in my opinion because he adds more damage in the laning phase (just try Chilling Touch, op as hell) and his ultimate is spammable. Crystal Maiden may have a reliable disable and an AoE nuke, but Chilling Touch outclasses Crystal Nova in terms of damage and Cold Feet is good for zoning purposes.
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