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Have you seen viper anywhere?!?

April 11, 2013 by TangoNCash
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ACkun | August 20, 2014 6:44am
What about blink dagger? When you have aghanims, and you drain the eneny but the enemy runs you can just blink to them and drain the **** out of them. Again and again and again. Not like that's gonna happen though. 300 hp is broken.
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noggertz (1) | December 4, 2013 6:31am
Good guide. But personally, I usually rush aganihms after I completed my treads. That's when the fun starts!
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xCO2 (72) | April 12, 2013 9:05am
Wisdomseyes1 wrote:

Starting items are... what now...


They're bottle rush items.
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Wisdomseyes1 (8) | April 12, 2013 9:03am
Starting items are... what now...

EDIT: oh a mid bottle rush, got it. Usually i see 3 branches and a tango over 2 branches. I guess it just depends on who you are laning against
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TangoNCash (3) | April 12, 2013 6:13am
@Yoda:

Not so!

http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Pugna_responses

@Mnoi

As I say in the intro, this build for pugna plays him as a 3-4 ganker/mid rather than a standard support; hence the lack of Mekansm. I had never thought of picking up a necrobook but that's not a bad idea. I'll try it out in a game and see how it goes.
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Yoda (9) | April 12, 2013 5:02am
What's with the title? you know it's Warlock who used to own Viper and not Pugna?
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TangoNCash (3) | April 11, 2013 5:16pm
@Smith

Bloodstone is OK but I usually reserve that item for heroes with extemely high mana issues and Pugna usually does OK because of his extremely high INT gain.

@Chickensoup.

Thank for the extremely intelligent points there. I have little to disagree with.

1) Rod of atos seems like a natural item for him given his need for mana and health, I'll include it.

2) You're right that he's not a natural top-tier mid, but I do think he can hold his own in many common matchups. Hence the build; I honestly think he's just more effective as a 3-4 than a 5. He needs some levels to be sure but with a little bit of money he holds up quite well.
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mnoi (2) | April 11, 2013 4:59pm
I disagree with the drums, A necronomicon sounds better in my opintion b/c punga is a good pusher and you already have a high base ms. Also I think you should at least mention mek.
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Chickensoup | April 11, 2013 2:51pm
The build works, but I personally think you need to skip Drums. 9 times out of 10 the person in the "4" position is getting drums at some point because of how efficient it is as an item and how little money they are getting. you dont need 2 for the team, so let them get it. Instead you can go for Mek or Rod of Atos. I personally prefer Atos as a Nether Blast/Decrep combo into Atos/Life Drain kills a disgusting percentage of the heroes in the game. There's also the part where you are one of the squishiest chars in the game too so either Atos or Mek really helps you out in that department.

I agree on the Boots to an extent but you have to at least consider the mana boots early as a ganker. it is whats going to keep you in the field killing instead of heading back to base to mana up. if you go Mek, id always get mana boots too.

I agree on him Mid as well. He is supprisingly great as a ganker if played that way and is basically fully online at level 7 to gank and push down towers. Unfortunately his unpopularity stems from mid being his prefered place to start as he is a second tier mid laner at best, getting ****ped on by pretty much any of the other popular mid heroes pretty badly due to his low range nuke and really bad health gain.

Without levels and gold from being mid, he doesnt do anything specialy that so many other gankers cannot already do, and is actually worse tan most of them without getting a few items. The only special thing to him is really nether ward, and you can do that as the ward guy
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Smith (2) | April 11, 2013 2:25pm
Since he is extremely squishy, would it be wise to get a Bloodstone? Always after Aghanims and Dagon.
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TangoNCash (3) | April 11, 2013 1:59pm
@lancer611

1) I will try to tone down the eff word I love it
2) After level 2, upgrading dagon is not very cost-effective. While you have a lot of burst damage it's not your best route.
3) is this true?
4) Well, BKB and Linkens are clearly defensive items. And Drum is an hp item in the core
5) well, I tend to think of the core-extensions as a situational section
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lancer611 (3) | April 11, 2013 9:44am
A few suggestions:
  • Tone it down on the f-word.
  • Explain why to not upgrade dagon past level 2. Seems to me that the reduced cooldown and increased damage would be worth it.
  • You make no mention about being to attack Decrepify'd units with autoattack when you have Maelstrom/ Mjollnir or Desolator.
  • You're item list lacks hp/defensive related items.
  • Add a situational items section.
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