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Windrunner changes in 6.86

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Was WR...
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by TheSofa » December 18, 2015 4:56pm | Report
Hi all,

Was looking over the patch notes for the guide thing, and I just realized... Doesn't it seem like, although WR herself was nerfed, the items and stuff buffed her instead?

I'm not really doing the math, but I suppose with Focus Fire the bash changes would benefit her?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » December 18, 2015 5:12pm | Report
The patch nerfed some scenarios while buffing another, she's still good the way she is. Like I said WR's not overpowered to justify giant nerfs nor is she underpowered to give big buffs. WR's fine where she is
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Blubbles » December 18, 2015 7:04pm | Report
I think the Bash is pretty big for her, wouldnt call it a nerf, just balanced.

If you go over to Dotabuff I believe shes #1 hero right now, beating Pudge. Maybe the age of Pudge is over (hopefully).
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » December 18, 2015 10:21pm | Report
Blubbles wrote:

I think the Bash is pretty big for her, wouldnt call it a nerf, just balanced.

If you go over to Dotabuff I believe shes #1 hero right now, beating Pudge. Maybe the age of Pudge is over (hopefully).

With introduction of Aether Lens and sick Aghs that will probably get him picked as a valid roamer/doublehard? You only have to hope, lol.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » December 18, 2015 11:39pm | Report
She was (very) slightly buffed. So hero still the same.

She got a very slight nerf that is Shackleshot angle reduced by 3 degrees. So less ******** shackles in the laning stage for example when played mid.

Shackleshot disjointable changes *absolutely nothing*. Zero. Skill has no cast point and projectile is ultra fast. So you're still not dodging blink-shackle. Besides, was shackle following you after you blink out ever a problem? No, it wasn't. Problem was that it was an instant 4 second stun, and it still is.

Everything else is buffs. Note that every hero has 30 more HP now, so burst damage is nerfed, squishy heroes don't really exist anymore, so count that as well.

Abyssal Blade didn't change anything. Damage of the item is still exactly the same in average for single targets, it just does less damage for cleave attacks. There's no such thing as "you need lots of attack speed now", I keep reading this and it makes no sense, please do the math right guys. The change only means that an ever-increasing part of abyssal's damage cannot crit or cleave, but the total damage in average is still the same. This is a nerf to the item btw.

Also, prepare to see a roaming Pudge in literally every game. Actually Blubbles you were looking at the "last month" results not the 6.86 ones. Right now...he's almost at 40% pick rate, at a very comfortable first place. OSFrog.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyphoid returns » December 19, 2015 12:13am | Report
Hamstertamer wrote:

She was (very) slightly buffed. So hero still the same.

She got a very slight nerf that is Shackleshot angle reduced by 3 degrees. So less ******** shackles in the laning stage for example when played mid.

Shackleshot disjointable changes *absolutely nothing*. Zero. Skill has no cast point and projectile is ultra fast. So you're still not dodging blink-shackle. Besides, was shackle following you after you blink out ever a problem? No, it wasn't. Problem was that it was an instant 4 second stun, and it still is.

Everything else is buffs. Note that every hero has 30 more HP now, so burst damage is nerfed, squishy heroes don't really exist anymore, so count that as well.

Abyssal Blade didn't change anything. Damage of the item is still exactly the same in average for single targets, it just does less damage for cleave attacks. There's no such thing as "you need lots of attack speed now", I keep reading this and it makes no sense, please do the math right guys. The change only means that an ever-increasing part of abyssal's damage cannot crit or cleave, but the total damage in average is still the same. This is a nerf to the item btw.

Also, prepare to see a roaming Pudge in literally every game. Actually Blubbles you were looking at the "last month" results not the 6.86 ones. Right now...he's almost at 40% pick rate, at a very comfortable first place. OSFrog.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » December 19, 2015 12:27am | Report
You make Abyssal, MKB and their components more RNG-reliant.
You make Daedalus and Damage Block items less RNG-reliant in the same patch.

Must be some complicated OSFrog master plan.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » December 19, 2015 12:31am | Report
Dimonychan wrote:

You make Abyssal, MKB and their components more RNG-reliant.
You make Daedalus and Damage Block items less RNG-reliant in the same patch.

Must be some complicated OSFrog master plan.


Nerfing abyssal and MKB, and buffing crit. No master plan here.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » December 19, 2015 12:33am | Report
Yes, but why? Why did he decide that crit is underpowered and MKB(ok Abyssal is really strong) is overpowered?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » December 19, 2015 12:44am | Report
Dimonychan wrote:

Yes, but why? Why did he decide that crit is underpowered and MKB(ok Abyssal is really strong) is overpowered?


It's the eternal MKB versus crit choice. But OSFrog introduced a lot of evasion in the game recently so MKB was always better than crit in the latest patches. So he's compensating for that.
And that's making evasion even more annoying to deal with.

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