Lion Needs A Nerf

He has a long, spammable stun.
He has a long disable.
He has a massive AoE nuke.
He doesn't have to worry about mana cause he can just drain creeps.

Honestly I think he needs a nerf, maybe a point target stun. Or having his mana siphon only applicable to heroes.

AOE nuke only if you get Agh's, and the AOE is NOT massive.

He's squishy. Most carries would be able to kill him before he can do anything. BKB and Linkens are the bane of his existence.

I think lion is quite balanced. He's not tanky, is useless after BKBs get popped and has to get close to land a multiple person stun which is dangerous if the enemy team can expect it and time their BKBs or split up enough to burst the Lion down.
He's very similar to lina in that he can have a high impact, but can't survive longer clashes and will most of the time die before doing much after BKBs are out.

Linkens isn't actually a problem for Lion, because of the low CD on his E.

Lion has two long disables, and this is why he's starting to see a bit more competitive play. People are a bit more open to him as a pick. Especially the chinese, which is really awesome. I love to watch a good Lion player.

Lion is a decent pick, but he needs items by mid game. If there's a Lycan or something and he has BKB and runs at you... You basically have to stun, hex, and finger ANYTHING within the next 5 seconds because you're about to die unless you have a ghost scepter, a force staff, and a nearby cliff.

His movement speed is also very slow, so he isn't the best ganker unless smoked.

Lion is very susceptible to global spells because of his poor stats. Regardless of your positioning, if Zues ults, you're going to take a lot of damage. He can get bursted down just as easily as he can burst. He will die instantly if caught out (By say, a Centaur combo or something).

In team fights Lion has to stay VERY far back unless he has a blink or force. If they have any sort of initiation that can stun or silence (Puck with blink, etc...), they can pick Lion off in a team fight every time unless he has a few items to support his mobility.

I don't personally think Lion needs a nerf. He's strong, but not ban worthy or anything (Not a consistent ban like troll, lycan, etc...)

I think Earth Spike range is a bit too good. Almost 900 range for a long stun like this = wtf.

And his lane presence is a nightmare when you're offlaning. Since he can harass indefinitely by sucking mana AND has stupidly high base damage for harassing and denying.

Otherwise after 15 minutes I think he's balanced. Just his early game is a bit too much IMO.

he is probably the strongest support in the game right now. there are others like chen, enigma or disruptor who are really strong in certain situations, but what makes lion (and venge) stand out is that you can pick them every game.

also people underestimate his lategame power and always keep talking about how 'weak he is against BKB'. well boys he isnt. not when you have a blink, which you should pretty much always be able to get.
hex is a counter to BKB since it is instant, and when you can follow up a 4 second disable with another 2.5 sec disable and a ****ton of burst, that is pretty powerfull.

The base damage increase was sooo good for him. It made him a much better laning support, since he trades harass really well.

The only thing I think really needs balancing with him is Mana Drain. It's a little too good imo. Like, increase the cooldown at level 4, and make it drain a little bit less and the hero is fine.

1. His stun lasts 1.02/1.52/2.02/2.52 seconds and has a 12 seconds CD.
2. Big deal. Shadow Shaman has 5 seconds disable with Shackles should we nerf him to?
3. Only when purchasing Aghanim's Scepter? You spend 4200 gold for Finger of Death to have a 200 AoE and you call it massive?
4. Pugna has Life Drain which is more dangerous than Mana Drain should we nerf him to?

Lion is fine as he is.



Earth Spike range is 825 and not 900.

actually you can hit enemies from 950 range.