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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Crazy Tom » March 30, 2014 8:37am | Report
Let me preface this by saying that I am not pro and I don't know much about the pro scene except for really basic things like how Batrider is a staple pick/ban. This build is more of a question; I'm curious as to how well it might work in a pro game and how it might be improved.

Offlane - Mirana
Mid - Shadow Shaman
Safelane - Legion Commander, Crystal Maiden, Omniknight

The reasoning behind it:
This team is very focused around Legion's Duels and getting her very farmed and dangerous. During the early laning stage, CM and Omni keep her safe and can go for kills if needed, particularly with CM's slow and stun. Omni's Degen Aura is decent for chasing in this situation, as long as he uses the setup stun/slow from CM to get in range. Another bonus is that CM's stun and Legion's Duel allow for easy uses of Purification offensively, which is a huge nuke if you can actually catch an enemy or two with it.

Mirana is there because the Duel serves as a very reliable lockdown, so Arrows become very easy to hit. She also has a fantastic ult that helps tremendously with this team's initiation and escape if need be. Shaman has good disables and pushing power to round out the team's capabilities.

Once you get past the laning stage, this team is likely very gank-oriented, hoping to make the best use of Duel as often as possible. Omni's Repel means that Legion doesn't have to buy a BKB and is able to go into teamfights a bit sooner. If all goes well, Legion should have several duel kills and plenty of bonus damage and farm, and will snowball into a fast rax and hopefully game.


I've also thought about switching the trilane to be an aggressive one, but I don't have much experience with those and I'm not sure how it would work out.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sando » March 30, 2014 12:20pm | Report
It's quite a nice line up with a lot of lockdown potential, although I think you'd have some problems with illusion heroes as everything is very single target focused. You could also run into trouble against heroes like Silencer ( Global Silence) and Naga Siren ( Song of the Siren) as you've got a lot of heroes who are very ability dependent.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Xyrus » March 30, 2014 1:42pm | Report
I'm not too sure about having a Shadow Shaman Mid. I can see him getting destroyed very easily, which leads to losing your Mid Tower, then coming under constant Ganks from their Fed Mid Laner. An Invoker is an easy example of this.
Crazy Tom wrote:

Mirana is there because the Duel serves as a very reliable lockdown, so Arrows become very easy to hit.

You shouldn't use Sacred Arrow on a Duel target for the same reason you wouldn't use Black King Bar after Omniknight used Repel on you, they're both there to do the same thing, lock down a target. You can use Arrows to set up easy Duels, but you should have your Team behind you to get the Kill as quickly as possible once you land the Duel, so there's no need to Arrow them afterwards.
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She also has a fantastic ult that helps tremendously with this team's initiation and escape if need be. Shaman has good disables and pushing power to round out the team's capabilities.

True, this helps immensely with setting up Duel early on, so Legion Commander doesn't need to rush her Blink Dagger straight away.
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Omni's Repel means that Legion doesn't have to buy a BKB and is able to go into teamfights a bit sooner.

Remember, Repel can be Purged, not to mention, the Omniknight can be disabled or Silenced. The only time you don't need a Black King Bar is when you can completely ignore the other Teams Crowd Control at all times...which against a competent team, will never happen.
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I've also thought about switching the trilane to be an aggressive one, but I don't have much experience with those and I'm not sure how it would work out.

You mean, Mirana, Crystal Maiden and Omniknight? Mirana can work in an Aggressive Tri-Lane, because of the constant threat of Sacred Arrow, and having a Slow and Stun at lvl2, makes Crystal Maiden a good choice as well. The problem is the Omniknight. With a limited Mana Pool and high cost Abilities, he's not going to contribute much with minimal Exp. Abaddon's Aphotic Shield works much better than Repel, due to being able to remove Stuns and Slows, making them wasted if they're thrown out, whereas Repel just makes you switch targets.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by manic_e » March 30, 2014 2:27pm | Report
Shadow Shaman is a viable mid. He's been played there a little bit, but not for a while. I think straight after 6.79 he was being run there, when he first came into the meta. But he's mainly run as a support now.

Omni Knight is in the trash level picks. In that he barely ever gets picked along with the likes of bloodseeker and space cow. When I have seen him he's been run as an offlaner. In light of that you may want to switch up SS with Omni. Omni going mid and SS supporting.

Although I agree with Xyrus that abbadon is probably a better pick if you really want those particular skills.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by saifthedestroyer » March 30, 2014 3:09pm | Report
Good lineup, maybe replace omni for SD i think >_>
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Crazy Tom » March 31, 2014 1:44pm | Report
Well, that's a lot of good advice.

Going into this, I knew that Silencer specifically would be a huge problem, as he is the only hero I consistently lose to as Omniknight. Now that you mention it, though, I do see what you're saying about the illusion problem, as most of the CC in this lineup is single-target, like you said.

It's true that Repel can be purged, and that Omni can be disabled, so perhaps BKB is just a core item on her even with the Repel. It's not a bad item, either. Repel could just be used to save charges off the BKB and also function as an early save in lane.

As for the mid Shaman, I'm sure there are other heroes who could fit there instead. Invoker might even be a good option ( :-p ) since he can cast Alacrity on Legion. I guess we could find a different mid-laner depending on the enemy's team composition.

As for the Omniknight pick, he was one of the core heroes I wanted for this team (mostly because I am an avid Omni player, but he's quite good in general. just look at Repel for pete's sake). I know he has mana issues early and needs some levels to be effective; that's why CM was picked, to fix the mana issue. If they can secure free farm for Legion, then they can go roam and get kills, getting XP and gold as well. It's not a perfect plan, for sure, but I've played Omni/Legion in dual lanes with friends before and it works very well. I know that's pubs, though, so :-/

That said, would Omni mid and Abaddon in the trilane work better? Shaman would be swapped out for the Abaddon, reducing our team's stun capacity but increasing the defensive capacity with Aphotic Shield and Mist Coil.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » March 31, 2014 2:58pm | Report
I think your team is already decent without the Abaddon and, while I'm one of those players that don't like Omniknight in trilanes, I think an Omni-CM-Mirana aggressive trilane should work pretty well. I still think a Shadow Demon or Ancient Apparition would be better than Omni, but they have different roles in the mid-late game I guess.

I think you should just swap out the Legion Commander and pick someone (preferably a mid-game carry) that can solo the safe lane: if you need crowd control and a lockdown Ember Spirit and even Storm Spirit work well; or you can choose someone with high DPS like Weaver, Clinkz or Slark.

As for the mid Shadow Shaman, I don't see anything wrong with it. Maybe get another carry - as said before - and exploit Shaman's Mass Serpent Ward to get an early Roshan and make the most out of him.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Crazy Tom » March 31, 2014 3:16pm | Report
I liked Legion because of the easy setup for Purification, but Slark's Pounce would also work pretty well for that, so perhaps an aggressive tri with Omni, CM and Mirana with Slark offlane and Shaman mid?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by saifthedestroyer » March 31, 2014 11:17pm | Report
dude cut the omni -.-
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