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Trilane with Faceless Void and Phantom Assassin

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by DzikaPanda » May 26, 2013 9:03am | Report
I need some examples of good Faceless Void and Phantom Assassin trilanes, as they are my favorite carries I pick nearly every game combined with friend Magnus, but I don't have any idea about supports that could guarantee good farm and maybe kills.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hades4u » May 26, 2013 9:20am | Report
Shadow Demon/ Bane + Leshrac/ Lina/ Jakiro


These might work?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » May 26, 2013 9:43am | Report
Hades4u wrote:

I agree, but you should add Clockwerk which has recently been played as a support quite often and works well with SD and Bane, too. Also, Rubick's Telekinesis can be used instead of Nightmare/ Disruption if you need that Spell Steal more than a purge or a disable that goes through BKB.

Otherwise, just go for the typical Keeper of the Light + Nyx Assassin + carry trilane and push down the T1 in 10-15 minutes.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Mirror » May 26, 2013 9:47am | Report
You could run Faceless and Jakiro aggressively with a jungler like Chen or Enchantress. This might get first blood and an early tower then Faceless could rotate into the jungle.

Another idea is Faceless and Lich duo mid. Not only is the synergy with Magnus, Faceless and Lich ultimates but in lane Lich can keep the creeps pulled back near the tower. Also Magnus could bottle crow the short lane since Lich and Faceless would not need bottles.

Since Phantom has her daggers I have considered letter her solo and Magnus mid with an aggressive tri lane.

In lane Phantom has a fair amount of lane presence with her incredible slow. This could be paired with heros like Treant Protecter, Undying, Venomancer, Earth Shaker. I think Melee heros work well with Phantom since if needed she can farm with daggers.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » May 26, 2013 10:00am | Report
Actually,an unusual thing I might suggest is:(on a trilane with Phantom Assassin)is Omniknight.The Purification+ Phantom Strike is really good,and coupled with Repel and Guardian Angel,well,good luck at taking down PA in teamfights sir.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by DzikaPanda » May 26, 2013 11:15am | Report
Guys you know, today I ran Faceless Void, Bane and Jakiro against Lifestealer, Leshrac and Shadow Demon and we fed like hell, cause their combo was unbeatable. It was partially Jakiro fault, but still :/
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by xCO2 » May 26, 2013 11:29am | Report
DzikaPanda wrote:

Guys you know, today I ran Faceless Void, Bane and Jakiro against Lifestealer, Leshrac and Shadow Demon and we fed like hell, cause their combo was unbeatable. It was partially Jakiro fault, but still :/


Unbeatable? As soon as you saw SD disrupt there should've been an instant disable on Lesh from Bane, followed by an Icepath that gets 2/3 of the heroes rushing in because they're relying on their combo to land.

The Lesh/Lina and SD combo is easily countered by not getting out of position, the problem is that if its successful even once and they get the XP advantage its pretty much a downhill train. They also have a stronger level 1 presence as a trilane.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » May 26, 2013 1:01pm | Report
DzikaPanda wrote:

Guys you know, today I ran Faceless Void, Bane and Jakiro against Lifestealer, Leshrac and Shadow Demon and we fed like hell, cause their combo was unbeatable. It was partially Jakiro fault, but still :/


Did you play defensively at all? It's hard to tell from the little information you posted but you've gotta stick as close to the tower as possible and have your position 4 support stack and pull at the same time. If they ever contest the pull then your carry has less constraints farming and your supports will have to defend the pull camp until you're needed. If they ever try to go for the kill then stun/sleep the Leshrac before the disrupt+stun combo goes off or LS before he rages.

Pick up KOTL next time if they did not ban him (I'm assuming you played CM) or someone like Enchantress to mess up their trilane with 1 or 2 strong neutrals. Your Jakiro should always be on stand-by getting ready whenever the aggressors begin their assault and Bane should be the one to stack and pull to get the gold/levels needed from there. Your carry might not get as much gold as he would in a different setup but as long as nobody dies then you win the lane.

This also answers the OP's question too, you can try these heroes with Faceless Void and Phantom Assassin

Bane + Keeper of the Light = Good defensive trilane, the role for the supports will depend on the game but the KOTL should be the one pulling/etc.

Shadow Demon + Rubick and/or Leshrac/ Lina = Pretty good at both offensive and defensive setups. If you have Shadow Demon + Rubick then your setup will be very defensive since you'll have 2 spells that'll save your carry from danger. If you have the stunners then it'll be more offensive since you can get kills easier with that combo with either SD or Rubick.

You can try Clockwerk + Rubick/ Shadow Demon/Bane/whichever stunner and it'll be good at both offensive and defensive setups. Clock is very disruptive in any fight and if you can single out a hero with cogs + battery assault then you'll probably get a kill. You'll need some skill and good judgement to pull this one off since you'll need to try to single out a hero or position your correctly to push away any threat. If you get two heroes inside your cogs trap then you might have some trouble since Battery Assault isn't as effective and especially if you don't have a hero like Leshrac to follow up.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sp12 » May 26, 2013 2:18pm | Report
Shadow demon trilanes aren't that scary. Just disable the followup stun (Jakiro, Lina, Leshrac, Kunkka, whatever) after the disruption.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sando » May 26, 2013 3:09pm | Report
Void tri-lanes don't tend to be that lethal unless you get a numbers advantage (i.e. it's 3v1 or 3v2) until level 6, when you can usually own whoever it is. Personally I really like combining him with Witch Doctor are their ults have great synergy, and Casket is a great multi-stun.

PA works very well with omni as noted, especially if you can get a setup slow or stun for your third hero - and some ranged attack so you don't get harassed off the lane. Bane and Shadow Demon are both great at setting up other heroes, or breaking up enemy attacks.

Omni also gets big props against that SD/Lesh combo, if he can get Repel off fast enough, Dazzle can also be handy for getting people out of trouble, but he needs levels to be effective offensively.
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