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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by undeadsasuke34 » March 20, 2015 7:43pm | Report
Why Faceless Void isn't much picked in the pro scene. I find Void the strongest carry in the game.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Krwiozerca » March 20, 2015 7:56pm | Report
First tell us why do you consider him the strongest carry in the game.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by undeadsasuke34 » March 20, 2015 8:23pm | Report
I consider Void the strongest carry in the game because:
1) His ulti can stop an entire team for 5 sec ( 6 with agghs an 12 FKIN SECONDS WITH REFRESHER WTF???)
2) He will always have the 25% chance to backtrack, nothing can go through.
3) Time lock stun and damage goes through BkB, and if you hit so fast the enemy just cant do **** in lategame against you.

Why dont you think Void is the strongest carry? Who is better then him?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Haloon » March 20, 2015 9:01pm | Report
I dont think there is such thing as strongest carry in the game.All carries got their strenghts and weakness and time when they do best.Talking about late late game - nobody can stop Medusa and Spectre.So you could call them strongest,but their weakness is early game,so if you let them go late,its your fault,not them being OP. Faceless Void is too squishy and useless without chrono,and since nobody is so stupid to 5man under chrono,you can disable him in chrono.Sure,he got bkb,but without it ? Nothing,1 stun/hex and he's as good as dead.And since in pro scene there is warding/dewarding/smoke ganking,void looses oportunity to jump+chrono from fog and has hard time farming due to ganks.Thats what i think about void.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by caine1232 » March 20, 2015 9:03pm | Report
Haloon wrote:

I dont think there is such thing as strongest carry in the game.All carries got their strenghts and weakness and time when they do best.Talking about late late game - nobody can stop Medusa and Spectre.So you could call them strongest,but their weakness is early game,so if you let them go late,its your fault,not them being OP. Faceless Void is too squishy and useless without chrono,and since nobody is so stupid to 5man under chrono,you can disable him in chrono.Sure,he got bkb,but without it ? Nothing,1 stun/hex and he's as good as dead.And since in pro scene there is warding/dewarding/smoke ganking,void looses oportunity to jump+chrono from fog and has hard time farming due to ganks.Thats what i think about void.


This guy got it right +rep

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » March 21, 2015 10:50am | Report
People are underestimating Faceless Void without Chronosphere. He is one of the best manfight carries in the game, only outclassed by Troll Warlord I think. With Black King Bar it is really hard to stop him with or without Chrono - he is just so damn fast and hits very hard. Without Black King Bar it is a bit easier, but you don't say Troll Warlord is useless without BKB(though troll has a ****ton of HP, but Void has Backtrack on the other hand]].

Besides a threat of you getting into chrono and being beaten down to death at any moment in lategame is huge.

I think people are just scared away by his nerfs plus both Troll Warlord and Sniper are good agains Void(but then again, they are even better with him).

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » March 21, 2015 1:00pm | Report
Dimonychan wrote:

People are underestimating Faceless Void without Chronosphere. He is one of the best manfight carries in the game, only outclassed by Troll Warlord I think. With Black King Bar it is really hard to stop him with or without Chrono - he is just so damn fast and hits very hard. Without Black King Bar it is a bit easier, but you don't say Troll Warlord is useless without BKB(though troll has a ****ton of HP, but Void has Backtrack on the other hand]].

Besides a threat of you getting into chrono and being beaten down to death at any moment in lategame is huge.

I think people are just scared away by his nerfs plus both Troll Warlord and Sniper are good agains Void(but then again, they are even better with him).

his popularity and winrate already significantly dropped way before troll and and sniper hit the scene. and he really isnt underestimated without chrono, yes he can fight well 1v1 if he can actually hit someone, but a hero who just rightclicks is not gonna win the game for his team. he is melee and squishy because items like satanic and butterfly arent that good on him, you cant build an abyssal either.
he is probably one of the worst carries if not the worst in a sustained fight.
no matter how late in the game a number of heroes just crush him in a realistic fight, even something like a bristle will munch him.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyphoid returns » March 21, 2015 1:41pm | Report
Chrono doesnt disable passives,evasion particularly(so mkb became core)
Mana cost increase on chrono, to discourage refresher(that was his late game)
Decreasing synergies with other ultis and skills (wards)
time walk not slowing down AS
requires so much time to come up as compared to SF troll etc( i acknowledge MoM on void altho)
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » March 21, 2015 1:47pm | Report
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his popularity and winrate already significantly dropped way before troll and and sniper hit the scene. and he really isnt underestimated without chrono, yes he can fight well 1v1 if he can actually hit someone, but a hero who just rightclicks is not gonna win the game for his team. he is melee and squishy because items like satanic and butterfly arent that good on him, you cant build an abyssal either.
he is probably one of the worst carries if not the worst in a sustained fight.
no matter how late in the game a number of heroes just crush him in a realistic fight, even something like a bristle will munch him.

Meh, just textdoto where you always have 1000 Hexes and 100 Laguna Blades without cooldown etc. Real macth expierience shows he ig really scary even without Chrono.

AndI didn't mean that his popularity dropped after Sniper and TW hit the meta, I meant his popularity dropped because people were scared away with his nerfs+DP and Skywrath Rooster nerfs, and now he won't come back in meta because of TW and Sniper.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » March 21, 2015 2:04pm | Report
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Meh, just textdoto where you always have 1000 Hexes and 100 Laguna Blades without cooldown etc. Real macth expierience shows he ig really scary even without Chrono.

AndI didn't mean that his popularity dropped after Sniper and TW hit the meta, I meant his popularity dropped because people were scared away with his nerfs+DP and Skywrath Rooster nerfs, and now he won't come back in meta because of TW and Sniper.

he doesnt deserve to be picked more even if the snipers and trolls disappear, his winrate has been 40% and below in pro games.

void is much better in in low ranked pubs then in pro games because teams dont split for chrono and run at a void instead of just standing at a distance and buying one of the multiple items that **** him over.

if void has used BKB often you have 5 seconds to attack, after that you can get screwed over by euls, hex, stuns, halberd, ghost, eblade, abyssal, and any hero who can just kite you from range or also bash you.

some decent melee rightclicks isnt going to carry anything, if you miss chrono or dont get one that is good enough you are screwed unless your team is way up ahead in gold.

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