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Why Tinker isn't that played anymore?

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Forum » General Discussion » Why Tinker isn't that played anymore? 14 posts - page 1 of 2
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by undeadsasuke34 » March 21, 2015 10:10am | Report
There was a time when Tinker was played a lot. And he was really good. I think hes really good now to, but why he isn't that played anymore?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » March 21, 2015 10:14am | Report
Just like Void...look at the nerf history :)
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by William » March 21, 2015 10:17am | Report
He's unable to farm Ancients with March of the Machines anymore.

It made a big, big difference, especially in the professional scene.

Tinker is still a late game monster, in my opinion, and can cause chaos, but it takes far longer to get there now.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyphoid returns » March 21, 2015 10:47am | Report
His base defense was so good.
He could defend base against a 6 slotted terrorblade without a sweat.
Now just BKB up and take objectives.

His late late game is fantastic still, but only when he made an impact mid game.
That way you can play around BKB timings on the enemy, a mere 5 seconds.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sanvitch » March 21, 2015 12:32pm | Report
Yeah he's not picked that much anymore because was pretty OP for a time. And got nerfed soooo hard (Something like a half a dozen direct and indirect nerfs in a single patch is pretty damn huge).

But I think the hero is somewhat underpicked as it is, because as people have said his late game is fantastic. His mid game is worse, as is his general farming pace, but it just means you don't rush straight into Dagon 5 and Ethereal Blade, and go for something more like Scythe of Vyse earlier on and be this major form of control rather than burst.

Since you just can't have enough Chaos Breaker.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyphoid returns » March 21, 2015 1:45pm | Report
This undead guy is obsessed on seeing why something is working and why something is not.
Result: we get so many threads on why someone is not picked.
Result2: boring discussions that go into Q&A
Result3: i think we got a new curious member. Welcome!
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Krwiozerca » March 21, 2015 1:59pm | Report
I also noticed that Undeadsasuke is very curious, which is a good thing.


I would suggest gathering your thoughts and then you could release them in a single thread. It would be much better for the clearness of this site.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by KrDotoBestDoto » March 21, 2015 5:57pm | Report
I think the problem with Tinker is that his impact is almost only pushing. Right now strong fighters are typically your mid, because you want to be ready to fight early and be ready untill the game ends. When ganking mids were the standart Tinker was still very viable since his burst dmg is very high, but right now the meta favors heroes that can wreck face with physical dmg, because BKBs can make a lot of heroes pretty useless.

Sniper, Troll Warlord and Shadow Fiend (nowadays the standart mids) have very strong physical dmg while Lina and Queen of Pain have BKB piercing high dmg nukes and decent rightclicks. It's really all about being able to fight at any point in the game and not be hindered too much by BKBs.

That's why you don't see Tinker. He needs a lot of farm before being able to contribute to fights a lot and falls of very hard when BKBs are out.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by KoDyAbAbA » March 21, 2015 6:10pm | Report
His inability to farm ancients means that he has to farm the lane.

Farming the lane takes time,

Time=space in dota 2

Space needs to be created.

That is not what a mid-laner generally requires because he is generally the one creating it.

Also, BKB.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sanvitch » March 21, 2015 7:43pm | Report
Tinker is actually good against BKB's after the duration has worn down a bit. Since, Tinker has the ability to do like 1000 burst damage to a hero, Rearm and then threaten it again. All from a fairly big distance in like 3 seconds (Since you can build double mobility and go Force Staff in, combo, Blink Dagger out). Which means, you can essentially force out pre-emptive BKB's, or force people back entirely. Since, it's that or die. Or hell, just leave someone hexed for a very long time afterwards

He's only outright awful against BKB's when they first get picked up, so when you probably only have BoT's, Blink Dagger and like Dagon or something like that. You're contribution to fights at that point is really low, and suddenly that means there's 10s where you can't hurt enemy cores (But you can still gib supports, and lower farm priority heroes). You still can do the rest of your role though, throwing down March of Machine to kill creep waves, be great for mobile pick-offs etc, etc.

It's also the reason why Scythe of Vyse is a higher priority pick-up to me - You can't rely on burst as much, so bring what is essentially multiple disables to the party instead, and make yourself better in team-fights.

He's worse probably because mid-lane is pretty hard for him atm, as well as general timings on line-ups making him less efficient since they are strongest when he's a relative low. Oh and Storm Spirit being popular.

Since you just can't have enough Chaos Breaker.

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