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Tiny - Steamtrain Carry

December 30, 2012 by PolakLad
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AxillaInAJar | April 11, 2015 12:54pm
Just pointing out that you said "Great STR and STR gain" in the pros section of the pros and cons.
RHYShantheImmortal (1) | December 14, 2014 6:14am
uhm.. i just want to know why build phase boots instead of threads? yeah, phase gives u +24 damage and added movement speed through phase but with the added right-click damage from his Grow and movement speed bonus i think power threads is the most suitable choice to complement his ultimate for threads gives an additional attack speed bonus which tiny needs due to reduction from his ult. Also, strength threads gives and extra +8 strength (i guess?) and can be switched to int that adds also stats to his intelligence which he also needs for his mana issues early game ( u can thread switch). this are my thoughts.. :)
Blank0z | December 4, 2014 10:11pm
Mirror wrote:

Looks like a good guild. You could add wisp in a food note since wisp tiny is ridicules. Avalanche toss any where on the map you also have more attack speed and tankyness. +1

However you must be aware of Tiny's toss is at random and this will mean that it is not necessary that io will be tossed.But if any case u tossed io,gratz ,and also i think that relocate can allow tiny to tp to their base and probably destroy their base slowly by slowly.However it is not garanteed to sucess
Pocahontas on my Yokohama | October 14, 2014 11:14am
I've been using this build (with a few personal changes) but with running tiny in the safe or hard lanes. I always hear that he's such a great mid but I've never been able to achieve this, I always get stomped by the big mid heros. But with that being said with the new patch I think bottling in top or bottom lane becomes totally doable and I think it's much better than arcane boots IMHO. as long as you're there to get rune I never had any mana/health problems early or mid game and I think Tiny fits into a ganker role really well early anyways. It also saves you money so you can rush blink faster, which I agree with OP is totally core. With Blink and Drums the Phase boots seems unnecessary so I usually just go for treads.

I never delay the first point in ult like some people do because I find the extra toss damage ends up being more usefull than the attack speed if you're ganking. Also I can't really decide which I like better, going the hyperstone or getting yasha/manta because both items can make him carry or at least munch down towers.

Also I'm not sure if I saw anybody mention it in the comments but Centaur + Tiny is a pretty well known lane combo that's pretty hard to deal with. I'm sure you've all seen it, toss Cent, Stomp, Avalanche, blah blah
a little short but good guide +1
Minwan1 | April 21, 2014 8:44pm
Does the avalanche toss glitch still work
ChimpKing | March 12, 2014 5:24pm
Nice guide. Just three comments:

Might be helpful to explain a little more how his skills work and how to properly land the avalanche/toss combo for full damage. It's best to point-target the enemy hero for avalanche, not area target, so you don't miss, then get RIGHT next to the enemy and point-target toss the enemy hero.

Other comment: IMO Tiny is one of the best counters to enemy AGI carries. He can almost always blow them up instantly. I would say he fits the category of hard carry rather than semi-carry.

Last comment: Drums are basically required and shouldn't really be in the optional category.

Good build overall!
Skeggox | July 28, 2013 5:01am
great guide overall i find that i dont run out of mana very often as early game tiny so i would forgoe the mantle. otherwise sweet guide helped me out with my late game a lot! +1
duntellya | May 8, 2013 3:30am
Awesome build...but early game i would say Arcane Boots is a must... and the faster u rush Aghanim the better
Leviathan44 | April 19, 2013 11:05am
hey, great guide, only a few things I'd do differently, but nothing major/they've already been said. just one thing, if you intend on playing hard carry tiny, you can usually skip blink dagger; blink on tiny has been phasing out as of late too

I would however add a section addressing [carry/hard carry] Tiny's disadvantages when compared to other carries/hard carries; being a strength hero, he will have his disadvantages to "real" carries like Drow or Shadow Fiend. He simply doesn't have the innate attack speed and damage granted by agility items, and must build either strength for damage (doesn't add attack speed) or actual agility/attack speed (extremely low attack speed, no survivability).
In particular, he relies heavily on his combo for most of the game, which is on a huge 17 second cooldown. If you don't land a perfect combo, i.e. you (possibly by accident) don't toss your intended target or opt to toss him back to your team, you're just an auto attacker and you will be outshined by agility auto attackers with equal farm. Even with craggy exterior or AC even, you'll still get melted by ranged carries and heroes like Void who are just innately better at carrying.

Tiny can only really carry if he has a gold/level advantage. As your guide name implies, he's a better snowballer/steamroller than a tried-and-true hard carry.
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