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"Please, do feed the troll" TatsuyaKaito's Competitive Guide to Ja'rakal (Work In Process)

July 2, 2014 by TatusyaKaito
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XcALibuR (3) | May 23, 2015 8:18am
Seeing as how Orb of Venom is already gotten early, I think it is a good idea to go for Eye of Skadi during late game, which is IMO better than Heart of Tarrasque due to Eye giving not only the survivability needed, but also huge extra to all stats and a very strong slow that can work in conjunction with lifesteal orb.
Plus, the hunk of strength from HoT is useful for other heroes, but kinda wasted for Troll :|
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ljl87 | April 18, 2015 3:31pm
SnY? That is op.
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FranzLiszt | January 14, 2015 4:46am
nice build man..just won 3 matches in a row with troll! keep up the good work!
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fryterbad | September 23, 2014 1:45pm
I see a lot of mekansm being build on troll in competetive play. At least mention it :)
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Ninecent (3) | July 3, 2014 12:17pm
I would add that when using regen while laning you should always be in ranged, especially for salves. You will regen about 15-25% more hp depending on your level and items and such.
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Ab4ddon._.E43 (12) | July 2, 2014 11:29pm
Also forgot this, IF you do go vlads, maelstrom is EPIC on this guy.

I see you put my Armlet suggestion up, but it should be in the midgame section, as come late game you can swap it out for a heart or satanic, or maybe keep both if you feel squishy.

400 hp is a LOT for the price of 2800.
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Moodkill (9) | July 2, 2014 11:20pm
Personally I think armlet isn't a good late game item, it should either be gotten during the early-mid game cuz there are better options for the late game. (My opinion)
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TatusyaKaito | July 2, 2014 6:32pm
Fumbles16x wrote:



In general I think Vlad's would be the better option since you spend most of the game in melee, but it depends more on your team comp. If you have mostly ranged carries or just teammates in general, I'd go with helm simply because it gives similar bonuses for a cheaper price, and later builds into Satanic. Not to mention you can stack ancients with Helm if your supports aren't doing it for you.

Pretty much comes to team comp and preference, though. Both are viable options.

EDIT: Also, on the whole this is a pretty good guide. Maybe a section on what heroes Troll has synergy with, and who to stay away from. Who he counters (Pheonix anyone?} and who counters him, etc.

I don't think that Shadow Blade is really core on him. It's good in the right situation, especially if you plan on ganking all early game instead of farming. But I think that the somewhat hefty 3000g could be spent in more beneficial areas. You don't benefit a ton from the attack speed increase, and the damage is somewhat minor compared to other, similarly priced items. A BKB or Crystalys is a wiser investment to me (in most games).

Still, it can be a great item. Great for ganking and sneaking around the map.



Hi Fumbles! Thank you very much for the feedback!

As for the Vlad > Helm debate. again, I would get Vlad if nobody else is getting it as it would be a waste of money if there is a another hero carrying it. and yes if majority of your team-mates are melee then I'd go for it.

Tried playing a while ago rushing BKB and not getting Shadow Blade and it turned out pretty well. I would agree now that SB is a waste on Troll and would be removing it from the Core Items. Thank you for pointing this out. I'll give you credits and a cookie. :)

And yes, I'll be adding in Troll's allies and enemies soon as I update the guide and also on how to play him at early-late game. and what to do in team fights/ganking.
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TatusyaKaito | July 2, 2014 6:25pm
Sando wrote:

On the whole, nicely presented and explained.

I'm no expert on Troll Warlord, so would go with Peppo's advice on the item choices. I would add that Stout Shield makes a better starting choice than Ring of Protection - it offers better protection early game, and means you can get your Poor Man's Shield sooner. I don't know if getting PMS and Aquila is overkill though? Usually you tend to go for one or the other...


Hi Sando, Thank you for your feedback.

I'd still prefer to go with Ring of Protection as a Starting choice because you can just buy Sobi Mask from the Secret shop in order to get Ring of Basilius which is really important for troll early game.

and I don't think getting both PMS and Aquila is overkill because Aquila provides mana regen, armor and a bit of damage which troll really needs to spam his skills and PMS provides decent block and EHP for when you need to go 1-vs-1 with an enemy hero. I can't recall the number of times when my *** was saved with PMS when going for a 1-vs-1 match.
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TatusyaKaito | July 2, 2014 6:19pm

The starting items are a bit odd: a Tango isn't enough regen in most cases, and Troll Warlord's base damage isn't that low; I'd go for Tango, Healing Salve, Ring of Protection and three Iron Branches, maybe dropping the PMS for a Wand. Otherwise, Tango + Salve + Ring + Slippers of Agility is still okay.

Also, Vladmir's Offering > Helm of the Dominator in my opinion. I like the fact that you max Berserker Rage before Fervor though, it should really be prioritized after its rework.



Thank you Peppo for the feedback. Played a while ago and tried going for ring of protection, 3 Iron Branches and a Salve. and it went out pretty well. I'll definitely add it to my build and I'll give you credits for this.

As for Vladmir's Offering, I think it would be a good substitute for Helm of Dominator if nobody else is getting Vlad's since it's useless if 2 or more carries has vlad's But I'm still sticking to Helm due to it's versatility.
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Fumbles16x (4) | July 2, 2014 12:41pm

The starting items are a bit odd: a Tango isn't enough regen in most cases, and Troll Warlord's base damage isn't that low; I'd go for Tango, Healing Salve, Ring of Protection and three Iron Branches, maybe dropping the PMS for a Wand. Otherwise, Tango + Salve + Ring + Slippers of Agility is still okay.

Also, Vladmir's Offering > Helm of the Dominator in my opinion. I like the fact that you max Berserker Rage before Fervor though, it should really be prioritized after its rework.


In general I think Vlad's would be the better option since you spend most of the game in melee, but it depends more on your team comp. If you have mostly ranged carries or just teammates in general, I'd go with helm simply because it gives similar bonuses for a cheaper price, and later builds into Satanic. Not to mention you can stack ancients with Helm if your supports aren't doing it for you.

Pretty much comes to team comp and preference, though. Both are viable options.

EDIT: Also, on the whole this is a pretty good guide. Maybe a section on what heroes Troll has synergy with, and who to stay away from. Who he counters (Pheonix anyone?} and who counters him, etc.

I don't think that Shadow Blade is really core on him. It's good in the right situation, especially if you plan on ganking all early game instead of farming. But I think that the somewhat hefty 3000g could be spent in more beneficial areas. You don't benefit a ton from the attack speed increase, and the damage is somewhat minor compared to other, similarly priced items. A BKB or Crystalys is a wiser investment to me (in most games).

Still, it can be a great item. Great for ganking and sneaking around the map.
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Ab4ddon._.E43 (12) | July 2, 2014 4:42am
BKB > SB, always way better.

Also ARMLET is EXTREMELY good on troll.
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