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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Xyrus » August 5, 2015 3:46pm | Report
Dimonychan wrote:

Ok I can understand DP, and, with a huuuge tolerance even Leshrac with Null, but getting it on Zeus is something from insta-report zone. He has a spammable skill that is completely dedicated to secure him lasthits and harass enemy at the same time and you still get a rightclick item for this gnome with one of the worst autoattacks imaginable(screw 800 range creep sniping, gotta come in on 350 range and try to lasthit with 9 bonus damage like this will prevent enemy from denying every creep, typical Xyrus core).

Pooled Tangoes and 2 Iron Branches are fine on Zeus as well. The comparison was between Null and rushing a Soul Ring by starting with it's components. It was also about being efficient with your Mana...not securing Last Hits with right-clicks...

Please Dimony, learn to read context. 8{3
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by CapnDaft » August 5, 2015 3:54pm | Report
I don't like null zeus, but casual bracer zeus is something that I like, personally.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » August 5, 2015 5:00pm | Report
Xyrus wrote:


Pooled Tangoes and 2 Iron Branches are fine on Zeus as well. The comparison was between Null and rushing a Soul Ring by starting with it's components. It was also about being efficient with your Mana...not securing Last Hits with right-clicks...

Please Dimony, learn to read context. 8{3

What context, friend Xyrus? 8{? Zeus spams a 65 manacost nuke every second and a half, you can't be mana efficient with that hero even with 6 Null Talismans. And I don't see how paying 470 gold(more than half of Sould Ring and 2/3 of Bottle) is mana efficient. Even the though of getting Null on a hero who never uses his autoattack to do harm to enemy heroes in the first place just blows my mind. Sorry Xyrus your non-BKB strats and mana-efficient nulls are too next gen for me. 8{(

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » August 5, 2015 5:53pm | Report
I understand the high base damage build on lesh, but zeus......
As said he is not about getting lasthits with rightclicks because his short range puts you in range of harassment.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Xyrus » August 6, 2015 11:45am | Report
Dimonychan wrote:

What context, friend Xyrus? 8{? Zeus spams a 65 manacost nuke every second and a half, you can't be mana efficient with that hero even with 6 Null Talismans.

The post was about why starting with Null Talisman is better than starting with Soul Ring components. It's not suggesting that you should start with Null Talisman on Zeus. It is directed at people who still start out with Sage's Mask and Soul Ring Recipes on Heroes like Techies, Zeus, etc.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » August 6, 2015 3:07pm | Report
Who starts with soul ring on zeus?
Its just a really weird way of saying it.
Oh yea guys dont get sould ring recepy instead get null, oh wait dont do that... WutFace?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Xyrus » August 6, 2015 3:11pm | Report
Timminatorr wrote:

Who starts with soul ring on zeus?
Its just a really weird way of saying it.
Oh yea guys dont get sould ring recepy instead get null, oh wait dont do that... WutFace?

It makes sense to an experienced player, but it is one of those things that no one tells new players, isn't it? 8{3

Believe it or not, sub3k players will in fact start with Soul Ring components.

P.S. Now that that's done with, Nugget #5 pls! 8{D
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Ab4ddon._.E43 » August 6, 2015 4:39pm | Report
Ehhh, null builds to a veil later on, its called effective purchasing => circlet, mantle, tango, clarity x2 = ez bugatti. Better than rushing a bottle with 2 branches, but that's personal preference.

Oh sorry I forgot veil isn't an item on list of people going aghs 1st on zeus ( DO NOT GO AGHS 1ST ON ZEUS, EVER!!!)
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by masaaki14 » August 6, 2015 5:46pm | Report
I do go for aghs first on zeus. Here's the catch. 11 min aghs after i already had arc boots, soul ring and null.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » August 6, 2015 5:56pm | Report
Riiiight. If anything, Aghs should be bought exactly first on Zeus when you had a good start and can get it fairly early, it is the best item to rush on Zeus if you are ahead.

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