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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by porygon361 » April 1, 2014 1:48am | Report
I'll post the link soon when I get back home, but just so you guys know, Fnatic owned a Alliance with a Meepo support!


What do you think of its actual viability? Do you think they won only because the draft was unexpected?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hades4u » April 1, 2014 5:16am | Report
They won because Meepo counters Anti-Mage and because n0tail plays him the best, no comment.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Ab4ddon._.E43 » April 1, 2014 6:42am | Report
I watched the video earlier today, meepo will never be meta cause no 1 plays him except notail in competitive(regularly)

Plus he is extremely situational pick who actually reduces his whole team's exp gain, every separate meepo saps exp.
Example - a certain creep gives 100 exo ( for sake of calculation) with 4 meepos and another guy present the other guy gets only 20 exp while meepo gets 80.
Picture this on all lanes its a nightmare.

Meepo is easily countered by high single target dps(lion lina plus another person just zap 1)

That game is a specific example because earthbind disables blink unlike naga siren's spell.

Well the draft did look horrible, undying, alchemist are substandard picks.

My opinion - Get a pugna instead of alchemist, you get single target damage, counters ogre magi and other casters and a bit of early push as well(or counter push depending on the scenario)
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Ab4ddon._.E43 wrote:

I watched the video earlier today, meepo will never be meta cause no 1 plays him except notail in competitive(regularly)

Plus he is extremely situational pick who actually reduces his whole team's exp gain, every separate meepo saps exp.
Example - a certain creep gives 100 exo ( for sake of calculation) with 4 meepos and another guy present the other guy gets only 20 exp while meepo gets 80.
Picture this on all lanes its a nightmare.

Meepo is easily countered by high single target dps(lion lina plus another person just zap 1)

That game is a specific example because earthbind disables blink unlike naga siren's spell.

Well the draft did look horrible, undying, alchemist are substandard picks.

My opinion - Get a pugna instead of alchemist, you get single target damage, counters ogre magi and other casters and a bit of early push as well(or counter push depending on the scenario)

Naga siren's Ensnare also disables blink, aswell as invisibility.

It also was captain's draft and not CM, and pugna was out of the pool.
Alchemist is still a great pick in competetive and was probably the best hero left in the pool.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Ab4ddon._.E43 » April 1, 2014 9:56am | Report
Lycan makes for a nice mid, better than alchemist.
Hell i would have picked ursa, viper or even bloodseeker.
Also naga's trap doesnt disable blink skills, you just blink with trap still on you.
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Ab4ddon._.E43 wrote:

Lycan makes for a nice mid, better than alchemist.
Hell i would have picked ursa, viper or even bloodseeker.
Also naga's trap doesnt disable blink skills, you just blink with trap still on you.

You are kinda embarrasing yourself, i didnt even have to look this up but ENSNARE ABILITIES DISABLE ALL POINT TARGETED BLINKS INCLUDING Teleportation.
You can literally click on the description of Ensnare in my previous post.

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Teleport#True_Blink
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Ensnare


Alchemist is mostly a better pick then viper, as viper only fits in a specific all in lane domination early carry strategy. And obviously they didnt want to do that.
Ursa is possible but then they had to run an other hero mid.
Lycan is possible as a mid but obviously more of a carry type hero. The problem with either viper or lycan mid is that they wanted more ganking power and controll, since both the other heroes dont provide that while alcemist provides the best non-ultimate stun in the game.

And you cant suggest bloodseeker as he is a trench hero and possibly even the worst in the game right now.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Ab4ddon._.E43 » April 1, 2014 10:59am | Report
Timminatorr wrote:


You are kinda embarrasing yourself, i didnt even have to look this up but ENSNARE ABILITIES DISABLE ALL POINT TARGETED BLINKS INCLUDING Teleportation.
You can literally click on the description of Ensnare in my previous post.

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Teleport#True_Blink
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Ensnare


Alchemist is mostly a better pick then viper, as viper only fits in a specific all in lane domination early carry strategy. And obviously they didnt want to do that.
Ursa is possible but then they had to run an other hero mid.
Lycan is possible as a mid but obviously more of a carry type hero. The problem with either viper or lycan mid is that they wanted more ganking power and controll, since both the other heroes dont provide that while alcemist provides the best non-ultimate stun in the game.

And you cant suggest bloodseeker as he is a trench hero and possibly even the worst in the game right now.

Hmm kinda remembered blinkin with a trap on, the trap gets kinda pulled, must be something else.

Seeker was just to mess with Dark Seer
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Ab4ddon._.E43 wrote:


Hmm kinda remembered blinkin with a trap on, the trap gets kinda pulled, must be something else.

Seeker was just to mess with Dark Seer

It might have been a psuedo blink that has confused you. Becouse you can use riki or phantom assasin blink strikes.
So do spells like waveform and timewalk.
But there are some weirder interactions with pounce for example. You cant use leap to get out of it, but you can use blink or timewalk.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » April 1, 2014 2:30pm | Report
Ab4ddon._.E43 wrote:

Lycan makes for a nice mid, better than alchemist.

No, he isn't. Remember the 6.79 patch when Alchemist was the most picked/banned Hero? He was mostly played mid, but if the enemy mid was too strong for him (or if another mid was already picked) he would be assigned the support role. Mid Alchemist also has a very powerful zoning tool (which Lycan lacks) and can gank after getting some gold and experience.

But yeah, Viper would've been a good counter to Lifestealer, too. I personally would've picked him instead of AM and then went for a mid game-oriented strategy.

By the way, is that a mid Ogre Magi? I must watch this.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Gindi » April 2, 2014 12:17pm | Report
Meta isn't a physical limit so you can probably play anyone support/carry , they just don't do as well as hero's made for those role.

You know what really counters a meepo?
Warlock.
Chains causes your meepo's each take 80% bonus damage, AOE from his ult wrecks face AND upheavel makes it impossible for meepo to cath up to enemies!
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