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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Blubbles » February 15, 2015 11:58pm | Report
I've been playing a lot of PA lately, just had two good games :

PA Game 1
Pa Game 2

PA is growing on me I gotta say and she is really fun to play if you just want a casual game.
I feel bad for pubstomping with her since really her crits are the only thing that makes her rek, but really all you have to do is get a high armor hero or Omni or something to counter.
Anyone else taking a liking to PA?

EDIT: Im stomping in pubs. Nothing too serious. If I was to use PA in a high MMR match I'd get wrecked. Pub players honestly don't know what a MKB is.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Zerosaviour » February 16, 2015 12:33am | Report
Blubbles wrote:

I've been playing a lot of PA lately, just had two good games :

PA Game 1
Pa Game 2

PA is growing on me I gotta say and she is really fun to play if you just want a casual game.
I feel bad for pubstomping with her since really her crits are the only thing that makes her rek, but really all you have to do is get a high armor hero or Omni or something to counter.
Anyone else taking a liking to PA?


Both of those games were horrendous for the other teams. Carry Omni?

The other teams just screamed for you to snowball over them.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by wangyuphing » February 16, 2015 1:45am | Report
>looks at their draft

>laughs so hard

>looks at your draft

>laughs a little

>looks at their score

>they r begging for u to stomp them believe me bro this **** is growing

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Terathiel » February 16, 2015 2:44am | Report
She's a weak, underpowered Hero who is so easily countered by cores that it's not even funny. Both bars make her virtually useless, she's too luck dependant to be a proper midgame carry. If I wanted to draft PA in a captains game, I'd kill myself.

Except in very situational circumstances.

EDIT: I'm going to clarify my thoughts more

Her skillset tends to her being played as a position #1. The problem is, any right-clicker with an MKB will destroy you, and anyone with a BKB will kite you. This is kind of a problem. If she were able to be played as a #2, then this would be acceptable, but her huge farm dependance makes it so you pin all your hopes on a Hero who is easily countered by Force Staff, Euls, Ghost Sceptre, BKB, and MKB. That's bad design. I believe that changes need to be made to Blur and Coup de Grace, and that the blink component of Blink Strike should pierce spell immunity.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sanvitch » February 16, 2015 10:08am | Report
I think she's an alright carry, but only in specific line-ups. She obviously kite-able after BKB's get built, and she doesn't scale that well into late game despite what some people think. (Given she's squishy, and MKB's start being a thing in late game).

However, she's a pretty decent aggresive early to mid-game hero who can snowball really hard. As well as having decent laning presence due to Stifling Dagger (She's always going to get some CS, and she's got the harrass as a result of that).

She can go late-game with either a good start, or something like Empower or Bloodlust or even an Io to buff her DPS up without items. (Even then I'd rather have something like that for Mid-game fighting as well)

I think she's a little underwhelming as things stand, but I don't think she's awful by any means. She's bad against the current meta for sure, since Cores aren't generally squishy, and supports tend to be a bit hard to burst down due to CC or kiting abilites. And she really wants to be able to jump on someone and insta-gib them in fights so you have numbers advantage.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by CapnDaft » February 16, 2015 10:54am | Report
She's a good hero. Not in the meta since it tends to go more late game (and so MKB/BKB). She's still picked sometimes since she can have a good damage output mid to late game and can destroy some lineups. It's a 4-5th pick hero. I just watched NoT vs eHug today. THey picked pa since NoT had no one who could build a mkb. They got destroyed. She's situational, not niche either.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Blubbles » February 16, 2015 12:34pm | Report
CapnDaft wrote:

She's a good hero. Not in the meta since it tends to go more late game (and so MKB/BKB). She's still picked sometimes since she can have a good damage output mid to late game and can destroy some lineups. It's a 4-5th pick hero. I just watched NoT vs eHug today. THey picked pa since NoT had no one who could build a mkb. They got destroyed. She's situational, not niche either.


True. And I did take PA last in both games. I knew that none of their heroes could but a MKB before their core items. I was worried about Omni's Ult but his build SUCKED *** from the beginning.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » February 16, 2015 1:27pm | Report
She completely wrecks Slark and Storm Spirit, because not only do these heroes never buy MKB except after the 45 minute mark when it's too late anyways, but she can chase them down fairly easily and they die in 1 crit. Generally she destroys heroes with escape mechanisms ( Anti-Mage is a prime example)

She wrecks Axe if he doesn't have Blade Mail. If he does she owns him once she gets Satanic or BKB.

She's not that good against Juggernaut because he can spin out of her slow. However just buy manta and you don't care about Omnislash anymore.

She's very bad against Troll Warlord because she gets owned by the miss chance and Troll is a natural MKB carrier.

I think that's it for how well she does, since dota is essentially limited to these heroes right now xD

So all in all she's a pretty good pick if enemy team doesn't have balance warlord and/or lots of stuns or magic damage (try to avoid PA against Lion, Lina and friends, BKB can only do so much and it's not eternal).

@Terathiel : she can be played from position 1 to position 3. She can mid. She can solo offlane with dagger. She can dual offlane really well. She fits in every lineup really since she can win her lane without a support.
Forcestaff and Euls counter every carry in the game no exception. Ghost counters every carry that doesn't buy diffusal, luckily diffusal PA is legit after your very cheap helm/BKB/basher core (you can even skip basher). Actually PA deals with this kind of kiting way better than most carries.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Smuggels » February 16, 2015 3:20pm | Report
she needs to have these changes i feel.

- Blink Strike is now able to target magic immune heroes.
- Coup de grace i feel is toooo i dunno Random? lol ive gone games where ive got 5 crits in a row when jungling but as soon as i jump on some one ... no crits and then ive had the opposite 3 x 1.6k crits in a row to 3 shot a fed wraith king....lel i feel they need to change this some how...

at the moment because she is so RNG based it runs the risk of not procing so teams are apprehensive about drafting her.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Blubbles » February 16, 2015 4:28pm | Report
Smuggels wrote:

she needs to have these changes i feel.

- Blink Strike is now able to target magic immune heroes.
- Coup de grace i feel is toooo i dunno Random? lol ive gone games where ive got 5 crits in a row when jungling but as soon as i jump on some one ... no crits and then ive had the opposite 3 x 1.6k crits in a row to 3 shot a fed wraith king....lel i feel they need to change this some how...

at the moment because she is so RNG based it runs the risk of not procing so teams are apprehensive about drafting her.


It is too random but that what keeps her from being too overpowered. if she had a system of when she would proc, players would use that and she would rek.
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