Sick and Tired of all your people complaining about MMR

I think you might need to reread as well. I'm simply asking why you bring purge in to the calculation in your first post when you shouldn't compare pros to avg players. Also if I lack communication then why did I even bother telling you I talk a lot in game to get 0 response from my mates? Communication is obviously key which is why I said I talk in game only to seem to be talking to myself with my own voice projected through a microphone.

Also what can you do if you don't understand a shred of Spanish? Scream Attack-O?

I know you can't compare MMR across servers, and I never once said that Purge is a terrible player nor am I critiquing the guy, he is cool with me. I'm just simply once again asking why did you bring him up when it's no different than comparing a kid who plays baseball in high school with a MLB player?

Also the Purge and Dendi talk is more hypothetical since your first post had a hint of theory. If you assume that Self MMR < Purge MMR then you are trash, then what happens if you compare a pro with a lower MMR to Purge? Does that mean he suck? Clearly no if he is a pro and clearly MMR isn't accurately comparing the two. It gives an approximation like 20% or so accuracy but I wouldn't say "YEA PURGE'S MMR is +10 FROM PRO XXXX SO PRO MUST SUCK!".

Lastly I'm not taking actual figures as I'm saying hypothetically in these cases. Realistically Purge !> Dendi and thus why I said IF. Math skills do include theory, hence why we have classes like Linear Algebra and Proofs.

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IF you say you want to discuss then why do you constantly provide examples of personal attack on me?
In those games you said I fed in did you look to see in those games what I was doing? Also in your array of quotes of my past posts why then did you take the time to pick out those posts to attack me instead of providing an actual discussion about the trouble with MMR? Am I not allowed to state how I feel about a particular topic without being berated on by some other person who has a different view?

It's true that improving the MMR system is a complicated process that could take Valve quite some time and research to figure out...BUT, there are simple steps that can improve the quality of gaming.

Simply limiting a player/party to 1 and only 1 language option while searching for games should remove problems like these. If you're soloing, pick your native or closest language so you can communicate as efectively as possible. If you're in a party, then you should all have a common language you're going to speak anyway.

Sadly, since people disagree on what "role" they are, this could be difficult to implement, but bring back Compendium Games and add this feature to them for some excellent games! 8{D

What i always say to everyone, you're welcome to join me when i play games. Just inbox me for my steam ID or send me yours and we can get some groups going on. :)

Why do i bring purge into the my discussion and compare him with average players? That's pretty obvious if you watch purge live stream or read the comments on his youtube videos. majority of the people there are about 3000-4000 MMR calling purge a bad player when he is 4800.

Well obviously it seems like you dont know other ways to communicate. When someone has a plan and i dont feel like responding, ill wait for them to initiate their plan and i follow up. Just because you get 0 responses doesn't mean that they aren't listening.

Pretty much that's exactly what i do, i would just repeat a hero name numerous times and they'll get the picture, or i'll spam ping.

You obviously don't understand what i'm saying when i mention purge and the average person who insults him. Calling someone bad and not giving constructive criticism is not critiquing, it's insulting them. Since you obviously don't understand i wont repeat myself, reread what i wrote and THINK because it seems you lack the ability to come up with a constructive argument. You're just regurgitating what you said using different examples.

Obviously again, you do not understand the story i am telling. I'm pretty sure it's not be because others have read it and seemed perfectly fine. It seems you aren't reading but skimming what i wrote, slow down and read again.

You claim it had a hint of theory, the only theory that was in there was numbers, numbers make sense. the story makes sense if you knew what was going on in his live stream or youtube videoes, but apparently you are oblivious. If you're comparing a professional such as Dendi to Purge, then of course purge is ****, he's going to get **** on my Dendi. you're just move up brackets of my example.
I used the average player and purge, you use purge and dendi. the things i left out in my story are those below the average player, and the things you left out in your story is the average player and the players below the average player. Jesus christ man ****ing analyze, you do none of that!

Obviously, you didn't get the sarcasm in that. the hypothetical cases in your story are far from what a average or near average game. The odds of getting 4 feeders are extremely rare. 4 feeders that feed intentionally.

Jeezus man ****in read

Don't think your the only one, i'll remove the ones where i target you directly in my original post. Of course it's obvious that i am tired of your bickering, every time i visit the forums you are bickering. Why do you feel so offended? it's because you do exactly what i explain, even if i removed the bottom half of the original post, you'll still feel insulted because it relates to you.
Iunno man it's pretty obvious in one of my previous post that i targeted you directly, if you can't see that then you are pretty damn dense.
it's because YOU don't have constructive points to support your argument, you complain ***** and maon. If you haven't noticed many of my posts where i input an opinion i try to support it with other resources and theories. Your theories are "im too good for my rating, my team ****ing sucks, i lose because of my team, not me."

^He's right, you know.


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You might feel pissed, but stop being pissed and be awesome instead

Yeah he's right, but people don't support their claim, they make a statement and nothing to support it. It's infuriating.

edit: not sure why the other quote isn't showing up properly.

LADIES ...

Calm

Down

you all have valid points and you all have well described opinions.

but in this arena we can not affect change. Yes, we can point out obvious flaws in the system, Yes we can make observations upon the mechanics behind the MMR and YES we can ***** whine and moan about it. its part and parcel of being a DOTA PLAYER...

we all have games where we get stuck in a 4 man Russian speaking all carry team and there we are a lonely witch doctor running around like a headless chicken warding and healing and warding and healing ... and THEN at the end we get called "noob witch pls report"...

YES it makes us mad, YES its not fair, YES we all wish we could do something about it.

MMR is in itself a weird implementation because of how little we ACTUALLY know about the mechanics and calculations behind it.

where confusion is, there you shall find conflict.

But you know what?

I actually think getting stuck in that 4 stack of russian/spanish/mexican carries is good.

How many of you have had a game where that's happened and then in the next one or 2 games after you get put in a game with someone who talks? who communicates? who you can laugh with? and chat with and AT THE END... you commend each other and add each other and NOW you have a 2 stack. (i swear that sounds way to romantic)

To me... those russians just made the new Dota Friend extra special... you now have another person who knows DEM FEELS ...

Dota isnt just an amazing game where you can get sucked into a world of carries, supports, pushing, pulling, teamfights and Ganks. Dota is all them things plus a game where you make friends which evolve into groups. they might be international or guys down the street. people you would never have talked to before and your now connecting over improbable distances.

Stop moaning about flawed mechanics and focus on what makes this game great. enjoy your games and if you get stuck in a bad one... for gods sake laugh and then try and play your best because even if that happens knowing ive done my gosh darn best makes me,Personally, feel better.

dont focus on your MMR, focus on those games that left you thinking.... WOW, that was amazing.

you will find yourself enjoying your dota time a lot more.




now... for my input into the MMR discussion...

play ranked in 5 stack captain mode with mates you trust... then if you lose you have no one to blame but the fact that you were outplayed or out drafted.

Lol the most hilarious thing happened last week,twice my whole team left, I e1 ended nearly beating the **** out of the enemy 1v5 in this one.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/571506492

If I'm right can we just end this topic, seeing as how it's turning in to a flame war? Also in your comparison between the average player and Purge it seems you are comparing apples to oranges. If you want support when I present it through examples only for you to just brush them away, then why may I ask do you call this a discussion and not a debate? Obviously I would feel as though you are attacking me personally when in your first post there were about 3 quotes from me and you basically saying negative comments about me.

On a side note I played a Solo MMR last night in which I only had one cooperative teammate, and the only Pub thus far to talk to me and work out a 2 man strat that worked despite Our Lich and Sniper doing nothing and feeding while are 5th was doing something? Ping if you think that I fed then please tell me what the Lich and Sniper did during the first 15 mins? In addition those dotabuff matches you claim have you seen what I was doing? Most of those deaths if memory serves was from team fights in which I participated while my mates were only semi present, so did I feed if I was in a team fight with 2 people not there and one of my mates saying "DEF MID!"? If so then please provide an example of helping a teammate without feeding in this situation please.

i play support only too. mostly #5.
and i have +4k MMR and climbing.
you are just bad. deal with it.