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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by daPhongster » March 8, 2013 1:08am | Report
Atlas wrote:



There's a shallow learning curve in Dota.


It's sad that I understand this reference.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by ex... » March 8, 2013 3:47am | Report
I also stared playing Dota not so long ago and just like OP had the feeling that Dota community is just a bunch of 10 years old kids with ADHD and long list of psyhiatric issues. But as I progressed in levels and got paired with better players the things got a lot better.
I looked at couple of my own game replays and begun to understand that those players calling everybody a noob and blaming everything on a noob team are just trolls (funny enough troll is a poular choice of hero for them) and by no means good players and something I should pay attention to.
Now (I am around level 30) I find that most of the time, even if there are some emotions and harsh words, I can reason with the people I am in game. I tell them to calm down, admit a mistake on my part, if I have made one, or explain why I don't think I have. Sometimes I even hear sorry from them what for me is a sign that I have to do with peaple that can think. And that is definiteley better for the team than just over agitating and calling everybody a noob.
So my advise to you: develop thick skin, ignore trolls (as there is nothing they can teach you), wait out until you get matched with more reasonable playes, just try to enjoy a game anyway.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Yormaika » July 8, 2013 9:10pm | Report
Atlas wrote:

There's a shallow learning curve in Dota.


As a noob - i would appreciate an elaboration on this statement. There are over 400 abilities to learn in order to be effective. Then its time to learn about items....

Not to mention warding AND counterwarding; lane composition; roles/classes; hard/easy/long/short lanes and the list goes on.

It would be nice to hear an experienced players perspective on how dota has a shallow learning curve. I've played around 100 bot matches and i still know very little about this game.


edit: just realized it may be an in-joke -- did i mention im a noob
edit2: after reading more threads, in particular Atlas' guide for new players - i realize it WAS a joke. my mistake.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » July 8, 2013 9:55pm | Report
When you compare it to LoL, DOTA has more to remember and requires more effort to win a game. There's a lot of sugarcoating in LoL to make the game less punishing, like no loss of gold upon death and the complete removal of denying.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by mattyg2787 » July 8, 2013 10:45pm | Report
People are jerks.
I don't rage at New guys. Partly because I'm new. Mostly because I'm not a jerk.
However, I get frustrated when guys argue with me in game when they clearly don't know. Played a game last night with 2 "supports" vs an ursa. First thing I said was can someone please ward rosh pit. Sure enough 6 minutes in - rosh has been killed while we have no wards. And again and again. Lion ended up buying wards and carried them for 25 minutes before using one. When we were pushing I asked him to ward so we could see them coming (I even showed him where) yet still no wards and a team wipe follows. This is an example of stupidity, not ignorance which is what annoys me.
Ignorance on the other hand, is a different story. Played on the weekend with guys who had 2-5 wins. The quality of play was awful. However, we, as a team did really well. I spent a lot of the game telling them what to build, where to ward and generally what to do.

This is where all players should be. When you know nothing, seek help. Unfortunately, anyone who thinks they are pro, probably shouldn't be given advice

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by porygon361 » July 8, 2013 11:40pm | Report
ex... wrote:

I also stared playing Dota not so long ago and just like OP had the feeling that Dota community is just a bunch of 10 years old kids with ADHD and long list of psyhiatric issues. But as I progressed in levels and got paired with better players the things got a lot better.
I looked at couple of my own game replays and begun to understand that those players calling everybody a noob and blaming everything on a noob team are just trolls (funny enough troll is a poular choice of hero for them) and by no means good players and something I should pay attention to.
Now (I am around level 30) I find that most of the time, even if there are some emotions and harsh words, I can reason with the people I am in game. I tell them to calm down, admit a mistake on my part, if I have made one, or explain why I don't think I have. Sometimes I even hear sorry from them what for me is a sign that I have to do with peaple that can think. And that is definiteley better for the team than just over agitating and calling everybody a noob.
So my advise to you: develop thick skin, ignore trolls (as there is nothing they can teach you), wait out until you get matched with more reasonable playes, just try to enjoy a game anyway.


It's nice that someone out there does things the same way as me :)

Also, I'm never frustrated with noobs, because they usually listen when you try to teach them. It's the people that are clearly doing something wrong but doesn't listen to your advice, then repeatedly feeds and says "noob team" at the end of the game that really infuriates me.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by PeachFuzz » July 8, 2013 11:54pm | Report
Odilbert wrote:

I think one problem is, that there might be no other game where you can do SOOOO many things wrong. I would like to read an ultimate guide....


You've hit your problem on the jackpot. This is the #1 reason you get flamed, but also the #1 reason so many people love playing this thing. No matter how good a Dota player is, he/she can always lose the game for his team with one poor decision.

Sadly it takes a few hundred hours of experience before you're good enough to play with people who are more focused on winning than being a jerk who thinks mistakes deserve flaming. My advice is to find one or two heroes you like, stick with them and know it inside out. Play 50 games with each.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Xyrus » July 9, 2013 12:15am | Report
Odilbert wrote:

Maybe, maybe...

I think one problem is, that there might be no other game where you can do SOOOO many things wrong. I would like to read an ultimate guide.... something like "How not to be called Noob - in 10 days" or something like that. Guides and tactics I already read didn't help that much.


There's always Atlas's guide, but it's more like 1 month than 10 days. Perhaps you should also join the Dotafire guild and ask for someone to play with who's willing to help you learn the game as you play.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by commandojimbob » July 9, 2013 2:04am | Report
I am still relatively new (130 games, 175 hours), learning all the time and it is an amusing community that is for sure, full of extremes - but then again with any online team based game, you will always find this.

On the average though I have to say most are perfectly fine, and if you are having a bad game, as long as you are at least trying and acknowledging your errors then most people are reasonable, it is a game after all.

A common theme when I have seen angry players is that they dont give you much time to show that something can just be a genuine mistake, and do strike me as quite immature, An example : recently was I had a game the other night where I was getting a lot of abuse because I gave up first blood in mid and failed to react quick enough to a fight and was blamed for losing - so even though it was early game i got abuse for the next 15-20 minutes for every little thing saying how i sucked as Viper (when i dont), only to go on and carry the team to victory with stats a long the lines of 20/4/15 (Viper is my current fav hero who can become so nasty), I did ask "do I still suck now" since I was way out there with my stats, to no reply (small satisfaction).

I have equally come across many great team mates who have been really willing to make constructive points and lead a team when it is quite clear they are a cut above and know the game really well - most of the time in those situations we have gone on to win simply because there has been a natural leader, all have recognised this (me included because I am still learning), listened and made a positive contribution and when something does not work, we say "nice try, no worries" - these are always great games !

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by jaslam » July 9, 2013 2:40am | Report
It's a difficult issue to solve.. creating practice session for 'new players' is a must. those who have played dota1 will be fine, and can skip that. Those who have played LoL or Hon will pick it up quite quickly.
But Noobs - genuine noobs. they need to play with other noobs - you need to all fail together, and get a better understanding of your heroes (and skills). someone posted they always play viper, and that is what happens, you get very good at 2-5/10 heroes, and always play the same ones. Then one day you'll get absolutely stomped, by a fellow noob that plays a hero that is more complicated. and you think - well wtf, let's try him. (and either hate or love him.. ***in invokers.. haha)

This is something Steam have to do. Create lobbies (or a search criteria) for noobs. not just the new update with limited hero selection. but an actual search limit, that says - players with less than <50 games, or players with <25 wins. and scale it up from there.

What steam can also do - is create lobbies with specified roles. So you will always get slot 1 - 5, and respectively can only pick a player for that role. (IE if you opt to choose slot 5, in your search criteria, you can only pick a support) that way you don't get 5 carries, and 2 noobs fighting for useless farm.. (this is for the mid skill people, or noobs who are more confident now, and need to learn more.)

luckily i started playing dota - when EVERYONE was **** at Dota.. haha

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