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Farm, don't die - FARM

May 14, 2012 by jaslam
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Build 1

Build 1: Late Game Carry - which you are!

DotA2 Hero: Faceless Void

Offense

Damage 58-64

Defense

Armor 3.94

Other

Movement Speed 300

Attributes

Strength 63
Agility 87.25
Intelligence 52.5

Basic Stats

Health 1689
Mana 923

Purchase Order

starting items

stay in lane!

optional - dependant on opponents and support



Hero Skills

Time Walk

1 4 8 9

Backtrack

2 3 5 7

Time Lock

10 12 13 14

Chronosphere

6 11 16

Stats

15 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25


Farm, don't die - FARM

jaslam
May 14, 2012


Why no Bash

Loads of people will be asking why no bash until level 10 - as it is your base skill.

i will answer that simply with cool down, survivability and attack speed. By level 10 - how fast will will your FV be attacking? I can imagine not very. Max walk has an insane distance and even faster cool down, and backtrack will give you the extra chance to survive a gank. Along witha poor mans and vanguard you should be able to free farm a lane, even with a hero in it harassing you.

Any good farmer (and void is easy to farm with) should get poor mans, boots and ring of health in little to no time. each wave (near perfect) will give you 200-250 gold a wave. so realistically boots and poor mans within the first four minutes. ring by the 6-8 minute mark.

your large walk should allow to dive in for the last hit when your team mates gank. A good team will deliberately give that to you. 9x out of 10 in a clash initiated by your opposing team they will dive on you - hopefully your 25% evasion with backtrack will allow you to walk out after all the disables. (remember you back track the damage - not the effect - you will still be stunned, slowed etc) and even turn around once your team returns and get some kills.

Mask of madness is ok - but there are better builds for void to solve his attack speed problems. don't be too hasty to get life steal - in reality he actually doesn't need it. With high DPS a good chrono could kill 1 or 2 heroes before the effects where off, your team mates disables should help take the rest. life steal can come later in the game or maybe never if you have a team member with vlads.

late game items are up to you. After vang I tend to get a yasha, and see how it goes from there. You can quickly find yourself with 3k without noticing after a few good clashes and continued free farm (towers too) and could go straight butterfly solving attack speed issues with high dps immediately!! 25 minutes is your time to shine, before that stick to your lane - farm, get last hits with the help of your team mates - and don't rely on the lucky bash to disable a hero. The amount of times evasion has saved my *** over me getting a kill on 1 bash is significant.. try it ;-)

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Quote | PM | +Rep by Zeno » May 14, 2012 12:37pm | Report
Items are ok skill build ****y.

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Quote | PM | +Rep by jaslam » May 15, 2012 4:49am | Report
Zeno wrote:

Items are ok skill build ****y.


Try the skill build first - I play void a fair amount, with the item build and skill build together you are difficult to kill, your base damage is already strong, and like any carry - you need a good support to ensure a kill anyway.. so have bash isn't going to change much when you have a disabler with you anyway..

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Quote | PM | +Rep by MOJO » May 15, 2012 9:59pm | Report
Items:
1. Vanguard should be optional instead of core items, depends on how well or bad you're doing in the game.
2. You should prioritize some luxury items over some. E.g. Buriza or MKB > Butterfly, Void is more about dealing damage instead of dodging since he has Chronosphere.
3. Desolator is fine, MoM is fine, but HoD should be out, for Void, there's no way HoD is better than MoM, for obvious reasons, dealing damage.
4. Heaven Halberd is alright but this is item is really not for you. You're late-gamer dealing damage. Heaven Halberd is for support heroes, all type of ints, and some str heroes, but not for Void. If HP is needed, get Heart of Manta Style is Sufficient.

Skill Build:
This one is great but should also have an alternative build where Time Lock should be prioritize over backtrack e.g. Tri-Lane with lich and SandKing etc. or if you're doing very well. Once you get at least Power Tread Time-Lock can be powerful enough.

For a guide, your Luxury item is too broad, newbies wouldn't know what to go for and as I mention above, you should prioritize some items above others.

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Quote | PM | +Rep by jaslam » May 16, 2012 6:15am | Report
For the build - ie. backtrack walk build, a vang is insane, and allows you to free farm a lane without the need of a baby sitter empowering your team as a whole. and pissing off your opponents becuase of the sure denies on all waves.

- late game it is really hard to put it down to a set of items.. which is why I've left it broad. All these guides talk about getting this that and the other item at late game - but it is team and opponent dependant, where as the START of the game isn't (as much). generally you don't change your first 20 minutes of gaming against most opponents, you start to mix it up when you get to late game stages based on what is going well and badly.

As for the bash build - even then you don't need it - you REALLY don't need it if you have SK and Lich trilane - my argument for this build still stands, given good support, you actually don't need to bash.

HoD over MoM is only if you plan to get a satanic - I don't think I put that on the item list. I personally don't get lifesteal with void :) - like you said DPS

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Quote | PM | +Rep by Tyrodemacia » May 17, 2012 7:01am | Report
You can't just post every item and say "based on opposing team" but I understand the laziness :)

Vanguard is bad, poor man's shield is fine. Battle fury is also bad.


Should try out rushing Helm of the dominator and start dominating centaurs ASAP, then eventually a wolf comander. Your dominated neutrals can attack and move freely in your chronosphere.

Armlet is also extremely powerful on faceless void. It gives you a **** ton of health, regen and dmg/atk speed. Also you master the toggle with time walks, bash and chronosphere.

After armlet get a bkb then mjollnir.



To MOJO: Mask of madness is a awful item. Grants no damage and ends up suiciding your hero. Helm of dom is infinitely better due to the armor, damage and ability to control neutrals. With the tiniest amount of smart micro you can position your centaurs before you timewalk in chronosphere, then chain 2 centaur stuns on top of a 5 second chronosphere turning yout 5 second diable into 9, not to mention wolf commander damage aura and centaur attack speed aura.

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Quote | PM | +Rep by MOJO » May 17, 2012 6:58pm | Report
To Numeta: Vanguard is not bad it should just be optional. Vanguard is being bought a lot in pros game for survivalbility. Have you ever seen Dota Champtionship gameplay video?, like Na'Vi, M5, EHOME and those guyz? They bought Vanguard for Anti-Mage for nearly every-game. Vanguard is not a noob-item any longer, it's great for survivalbility.

Battle Fury is not bad, again should be optional, it's great for pushing. Pushing in one fundamental thing to do. e.g. When you loses 2 racks, or need to push different lanes.

Armlet: Don't know on that never try it

HoD: Your argument is viable but wouldn't it be better to kill them fast in Chronosphere instead of 9 seconds stun? 75% increase in aspd is no Joke. Void is one of the best to get MoM due to Chronosphere. For me, there are many more heroes suited for HoD. and think about it, 2-3 heroes clump together with MoM+Battle Fury? Just something to for you to think about.

Also if you rush HoD and then get Mjollnir late game? Orb-override? Or are you gonna say, late game doesn't matter anymore?, just deal **** loads of dmg?

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Quote | PM | +Rep by Tyrodemacia » May 18, 2012 2:33am | Report
The fact that you are comparing competitive teams buying a vanguard on anti-mage, which is a core item in his build, and then comparing it to faceless void? How long have you been playing dota?

There is no reason to build a tank item with no damage, when poor man shield does the same thing, armlet will give you health and damage.

Mask of madness has no damage on it. Attacking fast with 75 base damage accomplishes nothing.

As to the whole idea that you need to push when you are missing racks? That's what Mjollnir is for.

Faceless void does not need good damage early. All he has to do is carry a TP scroll and land good chronospheres, that's it. Mid to late game is where you need damage. Armlet = 40 damage and a **** ton of health.

A little secret fact about armlet and backtrack. While armlet is on the health drain will constantly up and down proc your backtrack. It basically bugs out the RNG of your backtrack to work in your favor.

Armlet also allows you to toggle on bash-timewalks-chronosphere - centaur stun or even fog.

The mjollnir only over rides life steal when it procs, which is way more beneficial than stealing 30-50 health.


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Quote | PM | +Rep by jaslam » May 21, 2012 5:24am | Report
Glad to see there's a debate going..
The idea of vanguard poormans / time walk / backtrack build is lane control. based on your comments you all know dota well. And as you know, FV like many other carries need baby sitters at the beginning to ensure good farm and no deaths - and as a bonus potential kills. Having a Vang poormans and level 4 backtrack early will basically allow your supports to leave the trilane and gank/roam aggresively. At the same time as put your opponents in a difficult position of not being able to stop your farm or farm themselves. If they do decide to keep harrasing you in an atempt to stop your farm they will gap (3vs1 lane), while your support is still ganking mid and your respective suicide lane.. I admit the damage is poor up until around level 11 - but during that time you have caused more problems to your opposing team than actually killing them. we all know how easy it is to farm with void when you have lane control - any good hero will get perfect creeps and nearly perfect denies. keep that going for 10 mins (after vang) and they have serious issues.

late game builds on any hero , support carry is always down to the game itself, that is the beauty of dota - so the guides that have all these late game items are innacurate. a simple example is what if they have mass disables like tide BM lion lina rhasta (2 or more) on the opposing team. are you going to rush dmg? or consider rush bkb. it will also change your support build from mech to pipe. It's a guide, try it out and see what happens. MOM build is still core - but I challenge it with an alternative orb.. I agree with MOJO - I do prefer HoD to MoM for void - as it builds into satanic as well as allows creep control ( I tend to get a wolf, becuase I can't macro to save my ***) it also give +20 dmg which is always nice haha. so far my last few void games I haven't actually got life steal.

Both your chrono arguments are valid - but you don't need lifesteal if your opponents can't move or are dead already..

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Quote | PM | +Rep by Tyrodemacia » May 21, 2012 8:36am | Report
Check out this replay. I know there was one leaver, but it's just to show how centaurs can be better protection than a support hero or a vanguard :)

http://stats.dota2.be/match/11964970

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Quote | PM | +Rep by jaslam » May 21, 2012 9:43am | Report
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Check out this replay. I know there was one leaver, but it's just to show how centaurs can be better protection than a support hero or a vanguard :)

http://stats.dota2.be/match/11964970



Here is my FV (feel free to add me on steam) with my vang build. it was public game - and they got hammered. but I was laning against WR AND Traxex - and after I got vanguard, I dominated the lane - as you can see by their items. Though I do like your build.. :D

http://stats.dota2.be/match/16253379

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