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The Most Significant Generalized Criticism of Dota 2

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Ancient Hero » June 6, 2013 12:07pm | Report
Let me end it here. KYFOLD IS A MASSIVE TROLL...if he isn't willing to submit a replay of his "build" working, then he has nothing to back it up. He's running around everything that disvalidates his point.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyfoid » June 6, 2013 12:44pm | Report
A mere replay? That would suffice? The last time I submitted a replay of of something working to this thread, everyone immediately started whining that it wasn't legitimate because it was not from any competitive league.

All it leaves me with is to simply asy ....

Prove it to yourself.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by ScurvyCur » June 6, 2013 1:51pm | Report
Actually, last time you posted a replay, we pointed out that the amount it could tell us was minimal because the other team was simply terrible. Bad item choices, horrid team comp, lousy laning phase, etc.

There's nothing wrong with beating a ****py team, but in order to assess the viability of any strategy, you need to be able to determine how much of your win was due to strategy, and how much was due to the other team throwing the game. You hardly need to play in competitive or ranked games, but playing against competent opponents really does a better job of testing a strategy.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Ancient Hero » June 6, 2013 1:52pm | Report
See? you're still dodging it. If you can't back up it up, then don't bother saying it. Show us. Plain and simple.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyfoid » June 6, 2013 2:03pm | Report
ScurvyCur wrote:

Actually, last time you posted a replay, we pointed out that the amount it could tell us was minimal because the other team was simply terrible. Bad item choices, horrid team comp, lousy laning phase, etc.

There's nothing wrong with beating a ****py team, but in order to assess the viability of any strategy, you need to be able to determine how much of your win was due to strategy, and how much was due to the other team throwing the game. You hardly need to play in competitive or ranked games, but playing against competent opponents really does a better job of testing a strategy.


Excuses, Excuses.

Prove. It. To. Yourself.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by thippo » June 6, 2013 2:22pm | Report
Like my chief complaint when I saw this thread so recently...

The concept of "torn arguments" in trolls these days is ridiculously obvious......

Kyfoid is a completely torn character as he only has two ways to be built, go all clever troll Bait and Feign Stupidity being your key skills

Or go all defensively victimized with dodge and ironic contradictions being your key skills

Factor in that neither of those extremely annoying approaches takes in to account any sort of benefit for your community as it doesn't support stupidity of this magnitude.

Completely. Torn.

(new post here instead of edit because why not)


I have an announcement though.. strangely, I have found the way to post in this thread that best deals with the issues that we've all noticed.

If you put a point into Post a Replay then, assuming you're legitimately not a troll, you can garner support from your team (because you sure as hell aren't planning on doing it the other way around) and possibly end up as the brain that began a new era of Centaur play.

With incessant trolling, you get what you put into it as you pay with any last scraps of respect equal to the stupidity that arises from opening your gaping maw and letting the locusts that infest your skull cavity hit keys at random, so one point is all that is necessary if you intend on perusing his true role as an uncooperative member and actually contribute negatively, not positively.

With all that said, the end result comes up becoming a very strange way to post indeed, which ends up being so viable you could call it "Troll".

(another new post because my post count correlates directly with my E-peen)

At the end of the day, the choice of what to do is a hands down no brainer.............................................................................................................................................................................




Post a replay to defend yourself
Stop being an incessant victim of your own imagination and stop posting provocatively
Quit posting here, write a guide, and then link the guide in this post
Continue being (troll or just really new to this whole "teamwork" thing) such a massive troll bait

pls pick ty <3 :D (: ^u^

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Ancient Hero » June 6, 2013 3:05pm | Report
Well put and a great TL;DR at the end. I had to get you +1 rep for that.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » June 6, 2013 5:19pm | Report
Well it's this time of year again...

You can build Centaur Warrunner however you want if it works for your game great, if it doesn't oh well but to say this way is the best way to play or this way sucks so it should be changed is completely arrogant.

Posting a replay and having players watch it is the best way to see how the build works, how well you and both teams have played. If someone points out mistakes or says the skill-level of that game is low then why say they're excuses? That's just fact, compare any game you've played to a higher-bracket replay and you can see for yourself but you can't since you're either just trolling or incredibility arrogant.

The last time you posted a replay, you arrogantly stated ways to improve or how to play Clinkz. Your game was a low level game, any experienced dota player can see it a mile away but you claimed to have found the best way to play Clinkz when you were playing in a low tier game. If you were playing in a higher-bracket, with skilled players having trouble with your builds then ok, we'll take your statements into consideration and maybe try it out but it wasn't.

You don't know how to play Centuar Warrunner to his best potential, the only ability he has for any possible harassment is Double Edge so you can spam that once in awhile. Usually when a Centaur Warrunner goes in to stun and deal damage, it's to go for the kill, not for harassment since both abilities ensure fatal wounds.

Your build that you've suggested is to be played defensively, if they right-click you, they're punished for that but then you'll lack the kill potential of level up Double Edge. One point of Return is enough and always max Double Edge first to have a chance for a kill. You don't have enough strength yet to Return worth while since you'll need the items and levels, so getting it so early is pointless.

I'm done for now since it's pointless to go further, Kyfoid will just stay as arrogant as he is.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyfoid » June 6, 2013 7:25pm | Report
No. If you max out double edge then you are also going to max out stomp right along with it... 1 point in return? Yeah... uh... maybe? But Double Edge and Stomp are meant to be used more against enemy heroes then against enemy creeps.

With that said, this approach means that your most important item ends up being one that ISN'T EVEN SUGGESTED ON THE SUGGESTED ITEM LIST! LOL!

Shadow Blade.

Why?

Because I cannot tell you how many times I have ran in with stampede and got lucky catching 2 enemy heroes that still end up being too far apart on different sides of me that I am only able to catch one of them with a double edge follow through.

Shadow blade would be essential for timing a stomp that catches 2 opponents close enough together so that you can follow up double edge both of them which is what these skills were meant for... Catching 2 or more enemy heroes with both spells is essential.

Even then, were talking about pulling off something that is completely unreliable and would be sheer dumb luck to pull off against a good team that knows not to get too close to each other.

Are you really going to go in to the jungle or run down a lane stomping and double edging all the way through in order to get gold?

Hod, Tranquil boots, wand and shadow blade?

Remember, this approach would be designed more for combating intelligence style heroes, but most of those types of characters are ranged and if not ranged, spamming their spells from a distance...

This means that they are even LESS likely to group together as they approach with crescent moon offensive focus.

It's utterly outrageous... even double edge with its damage will quickly wear itself out with the diminishing magic effectiveness over time that occurs through out the span of the game.

The only option you have to further improve it is by adding more life regen items to your inventory.... Really?

Other heroes at least can use a veil of discord or refresher orb....

Are you going to rely on something that has a window of opportunity to be potentially effective, or are you going to choose the more reliable method of farming and enemy harassment by choosing the strength route which, yes, takes a while to get that ball rolling but is a snowball and increases exponentially.

HAHA! You're choice indeed!

Make the better choice!

*Don't tear yourself with items that conflict with this character , and don't tear yourself by changing directions later or going two directions at the same time from the start... Remember, two directional items don't even exist.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by thippo » June 6, 2013 7:47pm | Report
Quoted:
a double edge follow through

But you said Double Edge isn't worth it past one level according to your master race build, sire.

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