Help Support Our Growing Community

DOTAFire is a community that lives to help every Dota 2 player take their game to the next level by having open access to all our tools and resources. Please consider supporting us by whitelisting us in your ad blocker!

Want to support DOTAFire with an ad-free experience? You can support us ad-free for less than $1 a month!

Go Ad-Free
Smitefire logo

Join the leading DOTA 2 community.
Create and share Hero Guides and Builds.

Create an MFN Account






Or

6.85 Interpretation

Please review our General Rules & Guidelines before posting or commenting anywhere on DOTAFire.

Forum » General Discussion » 6.85 Interpretation 54 posts - page 2 of 6

Poll Question:


6.85 : Better, Worse, or Even?
Better
Worse
Even
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by KrDotoBestDoto » September 25, 2015 4:13am | Report
6.84 I played Oracle, because I could at least disarm and help burst people. Now there is not a single reason left to play Oracle over literally any other hero in the game. Dazzle does everything Oracle does better already.

KrDotoBestDoto


Notable (3)
Posts: 543
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » September 25, 2015 5:22am | Report
caine1232 wrote:

The problem with abaddon is getting the aghs.
You will get it and that's maybe at 40 mins. Arcanes/tranquils+ soul ring, mek, force, blink, urn (some of those ) and then aghs. As a 5 there is very little chance you are getting aghs any time soon.

Also I really don't think bat is still ****. Aghs isn't meant to replace blink+ force, it's supposed to be something you buy after. There actually weren't that many good items for bat (bone7 went for mask and madness with lothars after blink+force which isn't amazingly useful).
Now tho, you buy aghs and you are basiclly a mini RP + skewer


Bat is still super ****. The Aghs upgrade does not fix any of his problems at all. Farms super slow, can't jungle starting level one anymore, his offlane is still bad, cause the flamebreak change didn't help it at all.

Wulfstan
<Retired Mod>

Awards Showcase
Show more awards

Memorable (77)
Posts: 2801
Steam: Wulfstant
View My Blog
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sanvitch » September 25, 2015 6:30am | Report
Bat never jungled at level 1 anyway. He needed at least level 2, preferably 3.

The thing the ag's does is whilst his early to mid game is still ****, it makes his late game crazy. On a hero who was already crazy in the late game.

Hopefully the Eul's nerf does a little bit to help him as well because the item makes him useless

Since you just can't have enough Chaos Breaker.

Sanvitch


Notable (18)
Posts: 1036
View My Blog
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Netcode0101 » September 25, 2015 7:28am | Report
I agree with the Riki comment, with the buff to him and diffusal, it seems we will see more of him. A lot more.

I am confused about the tiny comment. His base increased from 24 to 26, and 14 to 17 int. How is that making him "the new meta"?

It also looks like spell immunity is stronger now, not something that anyone else mentioned.

Overall I am pleased with the patch. I don't like to see MAJOR changes as I still want a balanced game. Their changes seem fairly appropriate. I am glad that TB got a buff, would be nice to see him around as I think I have seen him once or twice in the last few months.

Netcode0101



Posts: 2
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Ab4ddon._.E43 » September 25, 2015 7:32am | Report
Would have voted better just for Invoker, but rest is good as well. Nice , precise buffs/nerfs
I am the Abaddon *****!!!

Ab4ddon._.E43


Notable (12)
Posts: 564
Steam: Ab4ddon._.E43
View My Blog
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » September 25, 2015 7:44am | Report
Sanvitch wrote:

Bat never jungled at level 1 anyway. He needed at least level 2, preferably 3.

The thing the ag's does is whilst his early to mid game is still ****, it makes his late game crazy. On a hero who was already crazy in the late game.

Hopefully the Eul's nerf does a little bit to help him as well because the item makes him useless


He could and he did before the damage nerf to firefly. What you fail to understand here is that Bat shouldn't be a win more hero, he should be the I can ein the game for you provided I have the tools to do so. Right now, if Bat makes it into the meta, Venge will do as well.

Wulfstan
<Retired Mod>

Awards Showcase
Show more awards

Memorable (77)
Posts: 2801
Steam: Wulfstant
View My Blog
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by fromage_enrage » September 25, 2015 7:58am | Report
Slardar

Sprint now provides phased movement


Sorry for my noobishness, but what is phased movement ? Is that like Weaver's Shukuchi ?

fromage_enrage



Posts: 22
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sanvitch » September 25, 2015 8:06am | Report
Wulfstan wrote:

He could and he did before the damage nerf to firefly. What you fail to understand here is that Bat shouldn't be a win more hero, he should be the I can ein the game for you provided I have the tools to do so. Right now, if Bat makes it into the meta, Venge will do as well.


Firefly didn't have enough damage to jungle efficiently at level 1. He could deal 390 damage to one unit with Firefly level 1, which means he couldn't kill Centaurs, Wolves, Mud Golemns (Obviously), you could kill small Satyr's, but not big or medium ones, you couldn't kill Ogre's either.

You could just about kill any small camp, and you sure as hell couldn't kill any large camps. And when it costs you practically a third of your mana pool to do, that really affects you.

In effect, it really didn't happen that often unless you had no choice. Even if you'd just soak level 2 in the offlane, it made a world of difference.

And bat has more fundamental issues than being win-moar; The fact he just seemingly sucks at his job now.

Since you just can't have enough Chaos Breaker.

Sanvitch


Notable (18)
Posts: 1036
View My Blog
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Xyrus » September 25, 2015 8:22am | Report

Slardar

Sprint now provides phased movement


Sorry for my noobishness, but what is phased movement ? Is that like Weaver's Shukuchi ?

Phased movement is the ability to move through over units, so it's similar to Shukuchi and Phase Boots.

Edit: @michimochi get ninja'd! >8{D

Xyrus
<Moderator>

Awards Showcase
Show more awards

Established (104)
Posts: 2429
Steam: Xyrus
View My Blog
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by michimatsch » September 25, 2015 8:24am | Report
Phase lets you go through things. So yes just like Shukuchi

michimatsch

Awards Showcase
Show more awards

Remarkable (26)
Posts: 775
Steam: michimatsch
View My Blog

Quick Reply

Please log in or sign up to post!

DOTAFire is the place to find the perfect build guide to take your game to the next level. Learn how to play a new hero, or fine tune your favorite DotA hero’s build and strategy.

Copyright © 2019 DOTAFire | All Rights Reserved