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Yasha upgrade path -> Naginata

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Forum » Hero & Item Ideas » Yasha upgrade path -> Naginata 4 posts - page 1 of 1
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Repoman » September 8, 2015 7:36pm | Report
Since the items Yasha and Sange have always been linked to each other, I was thinking today how silver edge upsets the balance between these items which has always been at play. Formerly, each had an upgrade path to SnY or one other item, and with Sange getting an additional path by combining it with another full item, I feel it's only right to give Yasha the same treatment.

Luckilly, I have the perfect path for it. Combine it with Force Staff to make the item finally justifiable on an agility hero. A lot of agility heroes would actually really like a force staff, but it has so much less range than blink, and has such a long cooldown. Even with these facts, it's still a good item, but for so much gold and an ability that is only useful to carries in a few situations, it offers NOTHING meaningful to improve their carry potential. Meanwhile blink offers no stats, either, but allows long-distance engagement and reliable chasing.

I suggest: Naginata (a logical combination of a sword and staff)
Yasha + Force Staff + recipe (900g)

I say 900g cost because force staff costs significantly less than Shadow Blade and this Naginata item will be a bigger improvement to the force staff than Silver Edge is to Shadow blade.


Active: Force - Pushes any target unit 600 units in the direction it is facing. Double click to instantly cast Force on yourself.

Cast Range: 800
Push Distance: 600
Push Duration: 0.4

Max charges: 3 Mana: 25
Charge cooldown: 20

(maintains same bonuses from both items with no upgrades)
+10 intelligence
+16 Agility
+15 Attack speed
+10% Movement speed
+4 HP regen

Yes, that's all it is. For 900 gold, you combine force staff with yasha and all you get is a free item slot and a force staff with 3 charges. However, for an agility hero or even a very wealthy slow-moving support, those 3 charges would make it very strong and well-worth the massive 5200g price tag.


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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Blubbles » September 8, 2015 11:57pm | Report
For 5.2k gold theres no way Its only 3 charges that insane. It should have infinite uses. Also there is almost no agility hero I can think of that would rather have a force staff over blink dagger.

A better alternative would be combining Yasha with Helm of the Dominator. Thatd be sick. I'm gonna go make that right now.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by apaz » September 9, 2015 1:02am | Report
I was thinking that a 3-charge Force Staff would be OP. The item is already really good n general, too. For any AGI carry that dislikes being kited or blocked in (Juggernaut, Troll Warlord, Morphling), this would be a godsend. It should probably have some sort of small cooldown too, so you can't do the 3-force staff escape on yourself every time you get ganked.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by UltraSuperHyper » September 9, 2015 1:53am | Report
Charges have a replenishing time of 20 secs u guys.


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