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Are Spectre, Necrophos hardest carrys in game?

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Forum » General Discussion » Are Spectre, Necrophos hardest carrys in game? 18 posts - page 2 of 2
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by TheSofa » July 29, 2014 11:54am | Report
O_O

THAT MANY ITEMS? I tell you what, ANYONE with those items is tanky.

And Necro is a very good counter carry as he has a lot of % based damage, and his passive is HP removal, so it affects everyone, regardless of BKB or not.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by qark » July 29, 2014 12:13pm | Report
TheSofa wrote:

O_O

THAT MANY ITEMS? I tell you what, ANYONE with those items is tanky.

And Necro is a very good counter carry as he has a lot of % based damage, and his passive is HP removal, so it affects everyone, regardless of BKB or not.


But my Alchemist have 6 items and i have insane damage same anti mage, but when we try kill this Necro or Spectre it looks like all our damage items are useless, coz they stand alive like some freaking terminators... And that spectre passive was like wtf, we attack her and we dying, how that exactly work lol? Also that Spectre ultimate was just insane strong...

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by DzikaPanda » July 29, 2014 12:20pm | Report
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But my Alchemist have 6 items and i have insane damage same anti mage, but when we try kill this Necro or Spectre it looks like all our damage items are useless, coz they stand alive like some freaking terminators... And that spectre passive was like wtf, we attack her and we dying, how that exactly work lol?


Everytime she's attacked she deals % of damage dealt to her to everyone around her. So if you attack her for example for 1000 damage, she will deal 220 damage to everyone around her.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by TheSofa » July 29, 2014 12:43pm | Report
1. It's very hard to beat a 6-slotted Spectre.
2. What items DID you have?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by jawbreaker261 » July 29, 2014 4:06pm | Report
Spec+Necro is a good combo, but far from gamebreaking at any stage of the game.

Both of them are pretty bad against mass BKB. Heartstopper does nothing unless you let fights drag out, which is probably what they did and what you should have made every effort to avoid.

Slar+Alch combo has very strong DPS due to heavy -armor, and they should be able to kill ANY single target during BKB duration - though in the absense of game ID I'm going to guess they either didn't have BKB, failed to initiate (no blink), or there were a couple BKB-piercing stuns in the enemy team.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by William » July 31, 2014 7:04am | Report
Spectre certainly can be considered the hardest carry in the game. I still don't think she's as strong as Medusa in terms of pure teamfight (depending on optimal build for each) once you're 6 slotted, but 2nd/3rd I would say is about right.

Necrophos just sounds like he built purely tanky and soaked up everything while you focused him. It's difficult to drop a guy with 4k Health who has a spammable heal.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by jaitara_x » July 31, 2014 8:55am | Report
Did your Alch have a Skullbasher?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by BCP on PCP » July 31, 2014 11:46am | Report
Here's the thing, it's not about "X is the hardest carry." It sounds like you had the common problem of too many core heroes. Both Anti-mage and Alchemist carry hard by farming much faster than other carries. If everyone on the team is trying to farm, they won't farm faster than two people on the other team who are given farm priority.

Another issue is that Spectre and Necro are both very, very tanky. Necro also passively does damage to everyone in a team fight by reducing their HP by 1.6% of their max HP per second, and Spectre tends to pick up Radiance, doing an additional 50 magic damage per second. All of Alchemist's regen during Chemical Rage is basically null and void because of this, leaving him as a fairly low HP hero with great attack speed. Necro will be constantly regenerating mana thanks to Sadist, so Anti-mage isn't really that useful against him. Spectre doesn't really need much mana, so mana burn isn't much of a concern there either.

Basically, because of the team composition, you guys had to win the game fairly quickly and give farm priority to your Alchemist and Anti-mage.

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