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Forum » Theory Crafting » Ancient stacking with non cleave aoe heroes like Luna, Gyro, Medusa,... 38 posts - page 3 of 4
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by The Frosto » June 19, 2016 5:53am | Report
Honestly it is even good to get the points in glaive already during laningstage. Especially when you just purchased your Morbid Mask. Than you push the lane harder and so you can farm the hardcamp. Also against heroes that push the lane like dark sheer it is good to already skill the glaives.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Muush » June 19, 2016 5:58am | Report
Dimonychan wrote:

Honestly I don't know why u all like Helm and stacking so much. IMO it's only worth doing in like 5.5+ avg or 5 stacks because ancient stacks are a team matter. Your team needs to ward it, protect it(because you can't contest a lot of enemy carries should they want to just walk in and take them alone or with team), mb deward it and when you have your pos 5 babyraging because you picked Luna in the first place(actually happens, and not that rarely) you can't rly count on that.

Relying on your teammates' decency in low-mid MMR brackets is deliberately lowering your avg winrate.


Agreed, but I don't think it's completely fair. Yes, in low mmr brackets your teammates don't protect your stacks, but the other team aren't 6k either. For every team that doesn't protect them, there's an enemy team that doesn't block, ward or contest them in any way. You know, those players who only care about afk farming their items or roaming to pick off squishy supports. These players are rampant in sub-3k where I play.

Now, I'm not saying I always farm my stacks undisrupted, because sometimes they do take action. But more often than not, it just takes two teammates pushing a tower to divert what little attention they have away from everything else.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » June 19, 2016 6:05am | Report
It's not the problem about Slark lol. The problem about slark is that you can't do anything to that hero.

I mean ok you went Manta-Pike to run away from Slark, grz, and what's next? xD You still can't fight him and if he really wants you he will get your because Pounce cd is 8 and Pike cd is 14, not even talking about huge Manta cd here.

He's only not a problem if you're ahead and pushing with your team because it means that he can't afford to pop his ulti only to waste yours and you have allies to lock him down. And you can splitpush vs him but only if he doesn't have basher or a lot of passive stacks because you need to survive SB strike+Pounce+Pact+about 7 hits or more.

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Q-E-Q-Don't skill anything-Q-R-Q-Don't skill-Don't skill-Dump everything into glaives-R-E-E-E-U-R


You always skill E first, not Q.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by The Frosto » June 19, 2016 6:08am | Report
You can always purchase an abysal blade, oh wait no ty Icefrog

Guess you can manta out of pounce and than just run away and blink later when the cd is back?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » June 19, 2016 7:12am | Report
Dimonychan wrote:

It's not the problem about Slark lol. The problem about slark is that you can't do anything to that hero


Well just like any hero without a stun or a mobility skill, yeah. But not Luna more than anyone else.

Manta/pike is to kite Slark's ult btw. You need to get away when he ults and then re-engage.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by TheSofa » June 19, 2016 7:48am | Report
Side note: get manta against slark for pounce.

Am I the only person that likes Agh's on luna?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by masaaki14 » June 19, 2016 7:50am | Report
aghs on luna is strong, but it is a bit of an unneccessary item on carry luna.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » June 19, 2016 10:11am | Report
Aghs is good, it lets you defeat 90% of heroes after their 5 sec bkbs, eul's, glimmers and other **** get used. I get it after Skadi, using ogre axe from Lance. You should not get it vs heroes that have low-cd skills that kite your ulti like blinks, unless you can blink in and wipe all heroes who don't and then get to their cores with escapes.

It is also super strong with Enigma, Void, Storm and similar heroes who can prevent your ulti from being kites, just cast it on them and autowin the fight.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by masaaki14 » June 19, 2016 10:33am | Report
Dimony's Luna isn't made for right clicking dps anyways, I can totally see the reasoning behind aghs on that particular Luna build. Luna's ult with aghs is one of the best bursting spells in the game, if your game relies winning on big teamfights to push, aghs is tptally legit.

But, same goes for aghs on gyrocopter. On carry Luna, you have to buy aghs, when making something like mkb would do more sustained dps.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » June 19, 2016 10:43am | Report
How is my build not a rightclick/carry build LUL
Aghs is as good with this build as with the others, with the other builds it's probably even better because Aghs lets you position it well without dagger.

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