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Forum » Theory Crafting » Octarine core huskar 25 posts - page 3 of 3
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by strider » June 9, 2015 8:59pm | Report
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there really is no problem playing huskar as your safelaner, he can handle himself easily well after 30 minutes, and thats all you need. the need for a hard carry or good lategame is severely overrated. when i play with people from dotafire a notice a lot that they value lategame 'security' over a good strategy. if you can put the game out of reach for the enemy before 30 or even 20 minutes, then what does lategame matter? teams dont need that lategame security because it usually means your earlygame is weakened and you are less likely to end the game early.

well i hadn't played much of 6.84,so you can say i'm kinda stuck in 6.83 mentality.In general pubs drag on much longer then they should.even without all of that it's nevev bad to have backup plan in case your main one screws up.
about safelane huskar,i just feel that he doesn't really need "safe"lane,he's not someoone like AM or spectre who can get rekt in lane,or slardar who needs to save up 2k gold,he can just roll with boots and armlet and snowball or push,becouse of that IMO you should lane him 1v1 or agro dual/tri lanes since you picked huskar enemy laner shoudn't have ways to deal with him.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » June 9, 2015 10:09pm | Report
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well i hadn't played much of 6.84,so you can say i'm kinda stuck in 6.83 mentality.In general pubs drag on much longer then they should.even without all of that it's nevev bad to have backup plan in case your main one screws up.
about safelane huskar,i just feel that he doesn't really need "safe"lane,he's not someoone like AM or spectre who can get rekt in lane,or slardar who needs to save up 2k gold,he can just roll with boots and armlet and snowball or push,becouse of that IMO you should lane him 1v1 or agro dual/tri lanes since you picked huskar enemy laner shoudn't have ways to deal with him.

but thats kinda the thing, the 'backup plan' makes the 'main plan' weaker.
for example pugna is mainly a 1, either in an aggro lane or just safe and you transition into pushing before they can react.
getting a lategame hero instead of just a DK mid for example just makes the strat weaker.

the thing with huskar is that he is kind of like bloodseeker, alchemist, or terrorblade.
they can do fine or dominate 1v1 lanes against heroes who's goal it is not to win lanes like Clockwerk or Night Stalker, or even tougher opponents like Spirit Breaker or Beastmaster if he gets a little bit of help zoning at first. but once you actually pressure them they cant do anything but sit there. you can run alchemist or lycan mid, but once you put them at a disadvantage it makes a massive swing and they cant do anything but scramble for a bit of farm and get levels.
Huskar starts with low armor and damage, and low magic resistance at first. he is actually REALLY weak except against those heroes who are just there for levels.
and well huskar also needs more then 2000 gold for armlet, before that he cant join actual fights.

The thing about him is, you pick him to exploit the enemies lack of physical or pure damage, and use that to push early, since with his insane attack speed he eats towers.

i really recommend watching one of BSJ's games, i linked it in the last comment. and you will see what i mean, ofcourse it wont always go smoothly, but he also showed games like that. against certain lineups he really almost is an autowin.
and besides, the right supports and offlaners also provide plenty of late/midgame.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sando » June 9, 2015 10:24pm | Report
Personally I like running him Mid, you may need to be a little careful to start with, but you can win the lane really, really hard against a lot of heroes. Fast access to farm and levels - even with your ****py base damage you can farm relatively unmolested if your opponent is terrified of eating more Burning Spears.

After that, snowball hard, be active, abuse your magic resistance and heal horribly. Personally I tend to build magic damage Huskar - Armlet, Veil into Aghs. I don't especially like him as a safe lane carry unless your supports can roam a lot, and you try to win the game early.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by YellulzQuiet » June 10, 2015 12:03am | Report
its kinda hard to react to this comment since multiple characters arent showing well, but ill do my best.
it is not pointless to stack armor, deso is not a commonly picked up item at all, and it wont be until its no longer an orb effect or gets buffed in a significant way.
its not crazy to have 20 armor at 15 minutes on Huskar, and since armor becomes less significant the higher it gets, he doesnt care that much about -7 armor when he is close to having 30 armor once someone picks up a deso.
also, troll isnt picked at all and wind is picked a decent amount but has mixed success.
and i still dont get why people shout that he needs a new build or is a bad hero, those claims are based on nothing.

the thing with life break is that the damage is blocked by BKB, as well as his spears, so against that he loses a lot of damage.

and i still dont get the deal with glimmer cape and ghost scepter, you dont need to back off, you have a rediculous heal and armlet toggles. why would you need to back off if you can be almost immune to all damage except pure?
look at this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aizqu42innY
without armlet he would be about 10 times. ofcourse this is amazing toggling but its an extremely crazy dive too.

since you are still going on about ocatrine core it seems that you are kinda bad at weighing pro's and cons, and arent actually looking up whats better, just wildly theorycrafting. trust me, the item is worthless on him.

this will sound mean but i dont want to put more time into explaining stuff to someone who doesnt really pick it up, so i suggest you just watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtiZDY1n120 and take everything he says as the truth.

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i think huskar should be position 3 maybe 1-2(if you feel safe that it either won't get to lategame or your other cores have it covered)

there really is no problem playing huskar as your safelaner, he can handle himself easily well after 30 minutes, and thats all you need. the need for a hard carry or good lategame is severely overrated. when i play with people from dotafire a notice a lot that they value lategame 'security' over a good strategy. if you can put the game out of reach for the enemy before 30 or even 20 minutes, then what does lategame matter? teams dont need that lategame security because it usually means your earlygame is weakened and you are less likely to end the game early.
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Mate, sure you can rush armlet and it is good, but only for the mid game, if your toggle is so cool then 50 min game toggle when sniper is hitting you with 150 damage with critics, the build armlet HOtd bkb fall off late game.

First, In fact desolator is kindly nerfed but moar cost-efective as this patch reduces the gold cost, buuuuuut Assault cuirass and solar crest are still on the pool, and any 4k mmr or moar will have this itens just to screw you

IF YOU FARM a helm of dominator and a armlet below 15 minutes you are the new ZSMJ, also these two just give you 10 armor, MoC and deso are a bit moar expensive and you have - 15 armor reduction

3 + 10 = 13 armor of huskar about level 10

Not in pro games, but troll is still picked in pubs though, as dotatamer said, he was not nerfed at all/

those claims are based that he can be moar effective with less farm

My glimmer cape would work like a poor man Bkb, as the first jump would not hurt you so much and you could recharge in the time you are invisible for the next jump( use the item while jumping if you can)

Am I bad at analize pros and cons ? so lets analize the pros and cons

Satanic Gives you: 450 hp, 0,75 hp regen, 5 armor and 45 damage, 25% lifesteal and unholy rage for 6150 gold
Core stone on the other hand... : The same amount of hp 450, 25 int, 100% mana regen and 400 mana to use and abuse your inner vitality and your itens,spell lifesteal of 25%, 4 hp regen( even better than satanic) and 25 % Cooldown reduction( Overlook not just because the skills, but for the itens too)

also Guardian greaves gives you 22 armor and nice regen when below health and this is even better than a satanic and armlet together, we can agree that Octarine core is not so good as satanic, but GG boots Rock on huskar !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » June 11, 2015 10:08pm | Report
im not gonna try to explain anymore since you are extremely stubborn, just look how long it took me to explain that satanic is better, and still you dont get that core is garbage on him.
just watch that huskar guide i linked, even if you pick up only 25% of what he says you will have made progress.

armlet dominator at 15 minutes isnt rediculous for huskar at all, he farms rediculously fast, you just dont realise that because you dont know the absolute basics of the hero. sorry but you rreally dont have any idea how the hero works yet.
so plz for the love of GabeN, watch that video.

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