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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Unscathed » March 28, 2015 9:40am | Report
So i have thsi idea in my head. Its about farm and map control.

So: We will put 3 heroes soloing mid, safelane, and offlane. The supports? Roam. Well, nto roaming. They will infiltrate the enemy jungle. So the thing is to have the safelane carry a semi-jungler/a dude that can jungle and have two supports taking the farm out of the enemy jungle. This will be some sort of a global strat.

Lineup: (From #1-5 in order)
Meepo
Shadow Fiend
Clockwerk
Omniknight
Leshrac

Keep in mind that i am not the best drafter around. So the idea is to give all 5 heroes good amount of farm and leave the enemy with none. I dont know, might sound stupid, but its an idea that ive got in my head.

Bad thing is, my lanes are weak without supports. So that might be a problem. And the enemy might just feed in my heroes instead of feeding on creeps.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sanvitch » March 28, 2015 10:00am | Report
I have two concerns with your line-up;

1) Your line is up is sooooo greedy. You've only got 1 hero who doesn't really want farm, and you are really going to struggle to fine room to get efficient amounts of gold on each hero. Leshrac kinda needs a mana regen item or two. And well Omniknight is Omniknight. SF and Meepo are both flash farming carries, and well you'd want your farm to go to the Meepo since he scales a little harder with that, which means SF will be weaker than he really wants to be.

2) You really have to hope your opposing team don't have a strong support duo. A Strong Support duo can probably force you out of the jungle (Since what are you going to do but die/run away?), and can happily rotate on mid or the safe-lane and gank your cores.

3) You have garbage CC. Like till Meepo picks up Scythe of Vyse you have barely anyting usable, which will be an issue because it leaves you open to some picks.

The line-up probably wins if it gets late, it just seems unlikely to get there without having being be balled on heavily.

Since you just can't have enough Chaos Breaker.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Unscathed » March 28, 2015 12:51pm | Report
Sanvitch wrote:

I have two concerns with your line-up;
But you have three


1) Your line is up is sooooo greedy. You've only got 1 hero who doesn't really want farm, and you are really going to struggle to fine room to get efficient amounts of gold on each hero. Leshrac kinda needs a mana regen item or two. And well Omniknight is Omniknight. SF and Meepo are both flash farming carries, and well you'd want your farm to go to the Meepo since he scales a little harder with that, which means SF will be weaker than he really wants to be. well the whole point of the lineup is to have greedy heroes. By putting my supports in the enemy jungle i woulda expect them to get $$$. Im a bit confused by the las part, though. i have 4 or 5 farm place, i think they'd get their enough share of farm. Though i see some points there, with Meepo basically everywhere taking every farm. Perhaps i should swap Meepo or Shadow Fiend

2) You really have to hope your opposing team don't have a strong support duo. A Strong Support duo can probably force you out of the jungle (Since what are you going to do but die/run away?), and can happily rotate on mid or the safe-lane and gank your cores. sigh, sad but true. It will be a huge problem in this draft, since my supports are basically risking their hides. They can be ganked by two supports, with two heroes able to rotate from mid or safelane. But the whole point of this is to wrest control of the jungle, and maybe i woulda need some hero swaps. I was thinking Undying+X or aything.

3) You have garbage CC. Like till Meepo picks up Scythe of Vyse you have barely anyting usable, which will be an issue because it leaves you open to some picks. With Clockwerk, Meepo, and originally Zeus i want the lineup to be some sort of a global control. Though is a point there where i would need AoE CC if i want to utilize Leshrac.

The line-up probably wins if it gets late, it just seems unlikely to get there without having being be balled on heavily. again, i am not the best drafter out there. Feedbacks are appreciated though, thanks a lot! +rep
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » March 28, 2015 3:38pm | Report
the bad thing about this draft is that meepo and SF farm in exactly the same way. clearing jungle camps crazy fast, so there wont be enough for both of them.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Scezory » March 28, 2015 4:26pm | Report
With the supports scaring the enemy out of the jungle, couldn't one of them jungle in the opponents jungle?
Before you ask why, think for a moment, why not.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Unscathed » March 28, 2015 11:17pm | Report
@timm
Ahh now i see then. I should swap SF then, but about the idea itself what do you think?

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Thats the point ._.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by KoDyAbAbA » March 28, 2015 11:22pm | Report
all this draft needs to be countered is a good Storm Spirit. Seriously, he is one of the few heroes that do amazingly well against Meepo and also forces Omniknight to be with some other hero because the team relies too much on him in team-fights since shadow fiend and leshrac are basically two frail leaves of the same dying tree.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sanvitch » March 28, 2015 11:32pm | Report
Unscathed wrote:

@timm
Ahh now i see then. I should swap SF then, but about the idea itself what do you think?

@scezory
Thats the point ._.


The idea itself... Whilst novel, I think this kind of gold advantage and pressure is better done by other strats. Like, you can't exactly stop the enemy supports still pulling the safe lane, so they still get some farm. You lose out on lane pressure, so you have to pray you have good 1v1 match-ups in those lanes, and pray that the enemy supports don't punish your greed ect ect

Like, if you want a gold advantage through the jungle, just pick a dedicated jungler. Your lanes will still be safer, you'll still be able to put better pressure on the enemy lanes.

Since you just can't have enough Chaos Breaker.

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