Centaur build?

I only pass up blink when we snowball. When I say snowball, one game ended 52-7. Their mid was horrid. Basically where I can stand outside of their fountain and pretty much harass their players back.

Fear WTF are you talking about? Hood reduces self damage so it is bad? Hood is kinda ****py but you are supposed to get the entire pipe.

I think he meant "...and even though Hood of Defiance reduces the damage dealt on Centaur Warrunner by Double Edge, Vanguard and Phase Boots are a much better choice always were." I kind of agree with it, though I'd take the Blink first and then the Vanguard.

Radiance is not gotten for the farm, but for the DPS.Since centaur will be really tanky, he is going to draw the focus because he has the radiance.

I never said that it's bad.

That's exactly what I meant.

True. But I always get Radiance on Centaur Warrunner even if it's pass the 25 min.

Look I'm gonna tell you how. For the records you are right about the guides and the ones on steam.

First skill build.

• Max Hoof Stomp and Double Edge till level 9, on level 6 Stampede, level 10 Return, level 11 Stampede and so on. You need both Hoof Stomp and Double Edge to deal big damage instead of leveling up only once Hoof Stomp and Return then maxing Double Edge.
  
• The same old build. 1 level to Hoof Stomp and 1 level to Return and maxing Double Edge.
  
• Off-lane Centaur Warrunner . 1 level to Hoof Stomp, 1 level to Double Edge then maxing Return]. Later level up the [[Hoof Stomp and Double Edge till their maxed and on level 10 and 11 level up Stampede.

Item build:

• Starting items: Tango, Healing Salve, Stout Shield
• Early items: Boots of Speed, Vanguard
• Core items: Phase Boots, Vanguard, Blink Dagger, Radiance
• Luxuries: Assault Cuirass, Heart of Tarrasque, Shiva's Guard, Satanic, Boots of Travel
• Situational items: Hood of Defiance, Pipe of Insight, Heaven's Halberd, Blade Mail, Black King Bar, Linken's Sphere, Vladmir's Offering

Please don't build the Tranquil, Blink Dagger, Hood of Defiance. It's not a viable anymore for me it never was. Tranquil Boots are trash since 6.79 and even Hood of Defiance reduces the damage dealt on Centaur Warrunner by Double Edge, Vanguard and Phase Boots are a much better choice always were.

Allies: Crystal Maiden, Bristleback, Lion, Shadow Shaman, Venomancer, Viper, Ogre Magi, Night Stalker

Enemies: Lifestealer, Phantom Lancer, Venomancer, Shadow Shaman, Kunkka, Timbersaw, Puck, Pugna

There is no one set build on centaur. I don't think that can be stressed enough. However, you always always always want a blink as early as possible. Whether you're winning or losing you want that blink.

Trouble with centaur is where to lane him. Theoretically he can lane anywhere solo off, mid or safe lane farming. This will depend on who else is on your team and who you're against will dictate your skill and item build.

If you're going pipe you won't need tranquil boots as you'll pick up an early ring of health, no need for both. If you're skipping Hood/Pipe go tranqs.

Haven't seen Mekanism mentioned yet, might have missed it. But it's far superior on him than an early vanguard.

Build stats not armour. This is contrary to most other heroes if the game is going late since armour becomes better than raw hp the later the game goes. BUT Centaurs return damage scales directly off his strength. Much like how you build agi items on drow over straight damage items like deso or mkb. Only exception to this is against lifestealer or antimage.

For this reason Heart is absolutely core and why vanguard is a bad choice. BKB is another definite pick up and basically any strength item.

On the radiance question. Meh I don't know. We're in the realms of super luxury here. And I think I'd be more likely to build a 2nd heart than a radiance. But Radiance depends who you're up against. Carries like weaver and riki tend to hate radiance at any point in the game. Nice for stopping opposing teams blink daggers as well I suppose. But highly situational and highly luxurious.

A preemptive counter to the "noob you never buy a 2nd heart" response. I can't think of another hero who a 2nd heart would be good on except centaur. But again my man Brad is all about the stats.

He's a stats man

You should still first look at the lost of items i mentioned, its a mistake to blindly go for heart. Actives and aura's FTW.

I did :) It's why I included the bit on stats over armour. I explain my reasons for prioritizing stats - to take full advantage of the return damage. I'm left to guess at your reasons for favouring armour. I assume it's because armour > HP in late game. This is true of of 90% of heroes. Centaur is in my opinion one of the very few exceptions. If there is a different reason for an armour build that I'm missing, please explain.

Well for one i dont want to get torn to shredds by a lucan for example.

But my main reason is that i dont get items for their stats, i get it for their actives and passives.
I would rather have a shiva's aura and active then regen that i might not even need.
If our team really needs a hex then **** it i will get it on centaur. I dont give a damn that the int is wasted, im not getting it for that.
Whenever i get items i look at what my team needs in actives or aura's. Then i look at stats.
I dont care if i finish the game as a centaur with 2000 health if it means i have a blink, shivas, and travels, it means i adapted to the game and picked usefull items.

I would really reccomend thinking like that becouse it improves your game knowledge and overall item choices.

I think you're over thinking this in terms of some very specific situations. Of course if the team absolutely needs a hex and your hero, which ever hero that is is the only one capable of getting it then you gotta do what you gotta do. That being said, you really shouldn't be in that situation and it's a failing of your team if you are.

You don't build stats on centaur just for the fun of it. It has an actual purpose. In making the most out of Return damage. By focusing on strength items you get a load of extra damage every time someone hits you. SO for instance at level 25 with just a heart and BKB you deal near enough 100 damage to enemy units AND towers every time you're hit. By building armour you are basically just ignoring the potential framing, team fight and pushing that this ability gives you. If this was how to build a utility hero then sure we could just list generic utility items. Maybe copy and paste a clockwerk build. But this is about how to get the best from centaur.

As I said previously there are certain times you would want armour over stats. That's when you have someone like a Lifestealer who directly benefits from how much damage is done. Or perhaps against a burst hero like Gyro who a blade mail might be useful against. But again I'll just direct you to my first post where I say that there is no set build and it depends who you're up against. But a Heart for it's damage output both from right click and return damage is absolutely core.


Perhaps if you didn't have such a high opinion of your own game knowledge you might be able to listen and learn from others. I really think this would help improve your game knowledge and item choices.....

Being patronizing is never an attractive quality ;) Shall we agree to draw a line under comments such as these and have a civil discussion about the pro's and con's.