Bounty Hunter Build Guide DOTA 2: Spanking and Ganking

1

(17) |

Hey, looks like you're still using the old skilling order. Now you get ult at lvl 6/12/18 and you can put points into your talent selection to indicate what levels you take your talent at. :)

1

[-]

(1) |

Well the guide is fantastic!!! Anyway i suggest to put axe on the enemy/counter list cuz his first skill and blademail realy **** up bony,i can t tell how many of them have fallen on my glory carnage.
about bony he s best as a support/roaming ganker role i think best hero to gank enemy midlaner or some low hp **** with no escape (sniper,draw,dazz,witch etc come to mind)
i like the guide.i recently started expanding my hero pool since higher mmr rank demands it so i ended up reading bunch of guides.
bony sound like good sitational pick sometimes and destroying sf and invoker mid is fun...or any other mid with no early escape like sniper.upvoted

1

[-]

(4) |

wrote:

Well the guide is fantastic!!! Anyway i suggest to put axe on the enemy/counter list cuz his first skill and blademail realy **** up bony,i can t tell how many of them have fallen on my glory carnage.
about bony he s best as a support/roaming ganker role i think best hero to gank enemy midlaner or some low hp **** with no escape (sniper,draw,dazz,witch etc come to mind)
i like the guide.i recently started expanding my hero pool since higher mmr rank demands it so i ended up reading bunch of guides.
bony sound like good sitational pick sometimes and destroying sf and invoker mid is fun...or any other mid with no early escape like sniper.upvoted

Well, is one hell of a counter, but there's a few other heroes that are worse, destroys with and the ultimate , and the high HP and the high regen also doesn't help, other tank heroes like are like that, can also be a problem, still not that much, and... ... that guy... oh my god, he's going to stun you and kill you with a few hits, and maybe even kill you with the cleave, I don't recommend picking when dealing with high HP strength heroes, I just forgot to put them here.
Also, keep in mind, if you're going to pick in a high lvl pub or ranked, probably there's going to be one or two supports, maybe even more, and that can be bad or good, the problem is wards, if they ward the jungle, the runes, and the lane, you can't gank, so that means you won't be able to be useful for your team, but the good thing is that most supports have low HP, so you can gank them easily without needing to be fed.
Also, I always gank mid when the people on my lane are missing, even if a more tanky hero, still good if the guy mid helps you.

1

[-]

(1) |

Well yea i climbed from 1.4 k to 3.8 k with axe,magnus,enigma,sven,spectra and jugg and few others but problem is pool of 20 or 30 heroes is not enough anymore people couterpick a lot and games are harder i mean longer to win.
before i could play 2-3games a day now after 1 game i feel realy tilted for another one.
Well i dewarded as riki a lot i even get my own gem to counter enemy wards and constantly switching lanes i think i could do the same with bonty.
people are baning my most played **** so now i have to have plan b and c and d.if you know what i mean.
my magnus is banned in like every single game so i m forced to play void or tide but its not the same thing
Against sven all you need to do is get ghoust scepter ez solution and it go well with dagon build (e blade) later halbred makes him tear his eyes out.
cleave is a bit of a problem,consider geting blink for his stunn you can disjoint it if you time it right.
bkb can do same thing as well.
Sven hates few things stunn,bkb,disarm,basher and abbysal blade,e blade and ghoust scepter,strong heals annoy the hell out of him like mek or guardian boots (but if he s fed late no heal can save you tho).
and check his ancients stack and murder the bastard when he is low and take his stack.
Hope it helps

1

[-]

(1) |

Not only will purge . 's active also purged it. , , and (when used on self or an ally, when casted on ally, he/she will be the one that gets purged) also purge .

Perhaps you also want to put this.

, , are abilities that can purge .

Fortunately are mostly used on enemies, so it doesn't effect much on countering . also doesn't affect much since if when ganking , you should cast this ability many times on him anyway when he is about to die.

however is very annoying. Low cooldown, low mana cost, and pretty much makes ganking a whole level of annoyance considering how slippery that guy is. you may want to put this as one of counters.

1

[-]

(4) |

wrote:

Not only will purge . 's active also purged it. , , and (when used on self or an ally, when casted on ally, he/she will be the one that gets purged) also purge .

Perhaps you also want to put this.

, , are abilities that can purge .

Fortunately are mostly used on enemies, so it doesn't effect much on countering . also doesn't affect much since if when ganking , you should cast this ability many times on him anyway when he is about to die.

however is very annoying. Low cooldown, low mana cost, and pretty much makes ganking a whole level of annoyance considering how slippery that guy is. you may want to put this as one of counters.

I actually knew about , and , the good thing is that most heroes that make have low HP, and they won't use it when they get ganked, more like when pushing or during a teamfight, is really common, but a lot of people that play with don't do that, anyway isn't a tank so it's not that bad, the problem is that you're going to get less gold.
is a big problem, he has high strength, that means high HP, so you won't be able to kill him in the early-game, if someone picks him, I wouldn't recommend picking in this case.
I added this to the guide, also thank you because I didn't know that removed , and now when playing agaisn't I'll keep this in mind.

1

[-]

(1) |

Truly, everytime I'm facing , they are always ******* smart enough to cast before using whenever I , Amplify Damage, or even him. Maybe we are facing different kind of ?? Haha.

Oh you may also want to note the recent mana cost nerf (patch 6.88e) to . That nerf actually hits pretty hard because of his super low mana pool and I found (when you are the solo carrier of said item) doesn't really help him that much now when you need to track many people rapidly. It also bites hard when you don't have yet already hit level 6.

Load more comments (1 more replies) →

2

[-]

(4) |

When I'm playing against a , I try to kill him in the early game, of course not if it's a 2v1 in the lane but if it's a 2v2 it's not that bad, if he doesn't have probably he won't use to help the escape, but probably to do damage against the aggressor, if he has , I'll just buy , if I ult on him and he escapes with or with probably low HP then I use dust and then I last hit with or maybe even with a normal last hit with or .

Also, the nerf was really bad, I'm making way more after this and added the fact that was nerfed in the guide, still not a really bad nerf for me, I prefer to make over other boots when there's heroes with more hp/escape mechanics in the enemy team, so I can track then and use more often.
If against supports with disables that aren't that great and with low HP/no escape I still prefer so I can run and hit them faster if is on cooldown.
uses 65 mana, uses 65 mana, uses 120/130/140/150 mana, recovers 135 mana, that's useful if your fighting a hero that is escaping, you can just use on him, you can use to go on someone hit that person(maybe even get a kill) and go invisible again then escaping, you can also use two times in a teamfight in the early game, which is really good because you're going to get 300 gold for using one skill.
I get your point, but is more used for BH if making a more magical damage build with Dagon and maybe .
Also there's a magic item for ganking, called .

1

[-]

(47) |

^^ This :)

If you are a playing against BH, you need to make sure you purge indeed, besides the fact that you don't escape with SB ever, you initiate with it; and if in your experience most players don't it's because they are low skilled. Since the cooldown of Track is so low though, it's not really a counter, in the sense that you can still stay alive and close to the fight to try to Track that fish that is about to die. This is what you are supposed to be doing to any hero anyway. And don't stop tracking Slark, because it will make him have to waste his and some mana anyways.

1

[-]

(1) |

Never escape with SB? The only reason that phrase exist is because of how cheap is, but can purge dust easily by himself before casting (he only need to press Q, then immediately use SB active. The delay of does not reveal invincibility)

Then let's look at SB cooldown.

Smart players when iniating a gank will wait until at least the cooldown of SB to at least 17 seconds remaining.

Unless enemies are expecting him or has a super reaction speed, they will need at least a second to realize he is there. That's 16 seconds before SB can be used again.
Then about half a second to move mouse to target abilities at him. Another half for cast time and turn rate. At this time he should have used Pounce on you. That's 15 seconds remaining.
The moment your hero looks at him, he used Dark Pact. You used abilities on him, but he doesn't care because 1.5 seconds later Dark Pact activates to purge everything annoying. The Dark Pact itself has a duration of full one second. In total the ability pretty much assures his survival for 2.5 seconds. That's 12.5 seconds remaining.
He keeps hitting on you, but when another wave of abilities is about to come, he used Shadow Dance. At least a full 4 seconds of safety whether to run or continue hitting. That's 8.5 seconds remaining.
If you are losing, the Dark Pact's cooldown is finished and he used another 2.5 seconds of safety. That's 6 seconds remaining, but by that time you are most likely already dead or already steal so much stats so he doesn't care.
If you are winning, he runs using Shadow Dance. At least 2 seconds needed to catch up unless your Blink Dagger is off cooldown or has ability to catch him. By that time Pounce is already off cooldown. And he will definitely used it escape. That's at least another 2 seconds to catch up. if he hits the fog from the cliff or trees, double those seconds to capture him. This is most likely the time to put visions on him, but his Dark Pact is already off cooldown to purge everything. At that time, SB is also off cooldown, and he will escape.

It's annoying and unsurprisingly realistic in pubs. I just speak this from experience, both from facing him and using him himself. In competitive, he is definitely played differently, but in pubs he is always played like this.

SB for is used for both to initiate and escape in one setting. So yes the phrase "You don't escape with SB" does not apply to him.

Oh and waste that mana thing? when you switch Agi treads to Int treads, cast, then switch back, Slark practically cast the ability for free. (about 10 mana cost only)

1

[-]

(47) |

You don't use for initiating instead of escaping not because (or not only), but also because you need the 175 bonus damage from the active to burst your enemy down - so your SB will be in cooldown. There's also the fact that your full combo/initiation relies on instantly using to burst/not be stopped by disables, so even that, with its 6 cooldown at max level, will be down. Not to mention s that don't get purged and render your SB useless to escape.

This is all in a normal quick ganking/teamfight scenario, where the timing you broke down doesn't apply, since you will do all of this in a window of around what, 5 seconds? Imagine getting a kill on a on the midlane and getting away before his teammates, that are close, arrive, this is how it should go down: approach and get the SB hit, pounce and leash, he's dead and you retreat under ulti if necessary.

If you are talking about a longer teamfight, then yes, you can probably still use SB to escape, and it would go down roughly as you explained. And that has nothing to do with being a good or a bad Slark, since a good Slark will still gank the one target and get away with it by usage of SB only to initiate - and that's how he's played both by normal leveled pubs and by high level/pro.

Now since we are clearly talking from low skill level to low skill level, you'd want to just make sure people learn that SB main purpose is not escaping but initiating, since that is one of the most common mistakes of low skill players :)

As for the mana, I was referring to teamfights. You're also a Slark player right? In that case you know the downside of having the longer teamfights he loves so much for the stats is he runs out of mana - and you don't generally thread switch in the middle of a teamfight, because you have many other things to be worried about/clicking. So basically if you track him in the beggining of a teamfight and he purges it off, track him again 4 seconds later anyway, that's what I mean. It will **** him up, and between all the spells he has, if it's around the mid game, he will struggle to have mana for everything he wants to use - example, after a teamfight he has to dark pact a second time to purge Track, he's probably not gonna have enough mana to SB out now.

1

[-]

(1) |

Well you can still stunn him during the dark pact with any aoe stun i enoy feeding on slark all you need to do is to have long stun and dust ez kill.
Axe,magnus,tide,shaker,bane,lion,mirana,etc can deal with him easy way.
bloodseeker ult can keep him in place.
Hero is fine people are stupid and can t deal with him,and his skills do no pierce bkb so that makes him a walking creep pasive atribute steal mean nothing if he cant pounce you and nuke with his first skill.
slark is just another hit and kill ganker/escape artist like puck or qop.
Can be killed with lockdown and detection.

1

[-]

(1) |

This guide is great, but it's a bit tough to look at without pictures, so I would recommend adding some. Over HERE is a guide on how to do BB coding for Dotafire. Wish to see you more around here!

1

[-]

(1) |

Also, can I ask if it's possible to bring a with ?

1

[-]

(4) |

wrote:

Also, can I ask if it's possible to bring a with ?

This isn't a bad idea, it's great for the mana, and the health for escaping, and it doesn't costs much, but I would say it's not worth it, I'll test it later then maybe add, also, thanks for the help with images, I'll update this guide and make ones for other heroes I like to play, like Techies, Nyx Assassin and Clinkz.

Featured Site

Spanking and Ganking

Quick Comment

Bounty Hunter

Quick Comment (4) View Comments

DOTAFire & Defense of the Ancients

DOTA 2 Heroes