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iN7.Gankers guide to Windrunner

August 3, 2014 by iN7.Ganker
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Colfenor | March 5, 2015 5:02am
Shouldn`t you include aghanim`s scepter in the situational items at the very least? Good,nice guide overall but maybe rod of atos can be considered...slow,health and intel are excellent on windranger. Btw,there`s an update on her,so you might want to check it out and edit your guide.
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apaz (16) | December 4, 2014 7:36pm
A very good guide, obviously, but you seem to have failed to mention my favorite Item, which would be Ahganim's. The sheer of hilarious possibilities open up. It may not be the best item to go for, but I like it. Excellent guide, and I'm really not too angry about not mentioning a joke item. Not much else to say but holy guide.

apaz
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Mudryknow | December 4, 2014 1:47am
Zachbry wrote:

Can someone kiss me cause I am lonely here...


Muah!
Killer guide by the way :)
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Zachbry | November 25, 2014 6:27am
Can someone kiss me cause I am lonely here...
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iN7.Ganker (17) | December 22, 2013 8:23am
As soon as you stop doing that, you will become a better player and hopefully one day agree that dagon is a **** item on every hero, even on Tinker.
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YellulzQuiet (8) | December 17, 2013 8:22am
I put dagon on my windrunner
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Ruffian (1) | November 11, 2013 10:21am
I get Deso on her from time to time, if the enemy team is tanky and I can farm it easily enough. It's not always practical but it works. I'm assuming it works a little better with her ult than other stuff, because the -6 armor doesn't stack continually, does it? Idk I could be wrong.
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Peachy | September 4, 2013 1:50am
Really nice guide,i'm going to give the Wind Runner a go tonight. thanks
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iN7.Ganker (17) | July 15, 2013 7:30am
Updated!

Quoted:
1.1.1 - Added the "Guild Announcement" section - 15.07.2013
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EvilDevil06 | June 1, 2013 12:06pm
Nice ! I like your Semi-carry build. : ) +
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Tikru8 (3) | May 22, 2013 10:47pm
iN7, what's your opinion on getting Desolator as a luxury item on Windrunner? Having the entire enemy team - 6 armor in a fight sounds pretty good to me, anyone have experience getting it?
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iN7.Ganker (17) | May 21, 2013 7:31am
That is correct, I mentioned the possibility of shackleing a hero over a creep in front of him. I think I mentioned it clearly enough though. I might add some sentences here or there to make aware of that.

Thanks for noticeing.
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Tikru8 (3) | May 21, 2013 6:20am
Nice videos, I didn't realize that you could issue move commands while doing Focus Fire, very useful.

One tip that I think you should mention (which I discovered accidentally by misclicking): If there is 1 hero who has no creeps or trees behind him but has creeps in front of him you can shackle shot a creep in front of him and the second latched unit will be the hero: shackle shot prioritizes latching to heroes over creeps and trees.
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iN7.Ganker (17) | May 19, 2013 8:13am
Updated!

Quoted:

1.1.0 - Added a few videos to the "Skill - Explanation - Justification" section - 19.05.2013
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Gr3nkutZ | May 11, 2013 10:30am
Hi, great work!
I'm such a beginner but WR is definetly my fav hero; love her versatility and survivability; I usually play her as support or hard support depending of my mates choices...i played her as semi-carry but i'm not a very good farmer...
anyway, i was wondering, what about aghanim + crystalys ( into daedalus ) ? aghanim provide very good stats health and mana pool( and also regen ), so you can spam focus fire every 15sec and the bonus damage from crystalys/daedalus will not be removed! and add to this the crit from crystalys when focusing.
I'm curious what u think about this, cause i never tried it but your guide give me this idea.
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iN7.Ganker (17) | May 10, 2013 2:36am
Updated!

Quoted:

1.0.5 - ADDED THE AFTERWORD SECTION - 10.05.2013
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iN7.Ganker (17) | May 2, 2013 5:47pm
Everytime I read a comment like yours I am filled with much excitement because things like that are what I asked myself and others as well at the time I started playing dota. The worst things I did back in the days was buying SandY on Drow Ranger. :D

Let me try to explain:

Boots of Travel is an incredible good item, no doubt about that. But that doesn't change that Boots of Travel (BoT) are usally a lategame item except for certain heroes. (like Tinker)

The reasons for that are quite simple:

1.) BoT's passive grants huge mobilty at all times due to the high movement speed increase of +100, grants the ability to teleport everywhere you want onto either a building or an allied unit (and some exceptions as well) and it saves an itemslot for you that usally a tp would take.

The problem is you are spending 2450 gold on an item that grants a bit more movespeed than other boots, provides the same ability like an tp (exception tp'ing on a creep which is not needed early when you still have towers everywhere) and grants no stats at all as well as saving an itemslot that you are not even able to fill early on.

2.) Looking at what the items essentially give you in the first 20 minutes

I. PHASE BOOTS ---> 24 damage, 55 movementspeed, 16% movementspeed increase for 4 seconds (8s cd)

II. POWER TREADS --> 55 movementspeed, 30 attackspeed, +8 selected attribute, (either 152hp/112mana/1 armor + 8 attackspeed/ as well as the +dmg bonus when on primary attribute)

III. ARCANE BOOTS --> 250 mana, 60 movementspeed replenish 135 mana (55s cd)

IV. TRANQUIL BOOTS --> 3hp, 3 armor, 75 movementspeed and Restores 250 HP over 20 seconds (60s cd)


V. BOOTS of TRAVEL --> essentially + 100 movementspeed (and saving 135 gold for each tp)


Looking at the costs: (the numbers in "()" are the amount the boots are cheaper than BoT)

I --> 1350 (1100)
II --> 1450 (1000)
III --> 1450 (1000)
IV --> 975 (1475)
V --> 2450

You see every other boots are way cheaper than BoT and way easier to afford because they have components that cost only 500 gold max while BoT recipe only costs 2000 gold.(which is so ****ing much in the early game, you could almost buy 4 bracers for this --> 465hp/168mana/1.7armor,12as)

There are also other things which are "special" about the other boots like Power Treads provideing the "stats abuse" with bottle/hp salve/etc, no time to explain. The ability to move through units with phase boots and so on.

3.) At the time you are able to afford BoT you are pretty weak considering normal circumstances, you CAN buy it if you got an incredible amount of farm early on but you really shouldn't in most cases because of the listed arguments. There will be people who say BoT are underrated and you should always get them, I leave them be and consider it a mistake if you do it however you need to make up for it and get the maximum out of it. In lategame when you are maxed itemwise and need the free tp slot OR you are fighting a heavy split pushing lineup or want to split push this item works great but is still a terrible choice early on especially for beginners.

4.) To summarize: BoT are too expansive to afford them early on and provide only movementspeed in the early stages and save you a little amount of gold while they are extremely expansive provideing nearly no surviveability which is needed so much in the earlygame where movementspeed doesn't make much of a difference. Windrunner is a hero that already has great mobility due to her abilty Windrun and is often buying a forcestaff anyway therefore needs no ~ +30 - 45 movementspeed. The high costs also delays her core items for about a 1000 gold in most cases.

I could have brought up way more aspects but I am afraid no one is gonna read a textwall like that if I continue. I hope I could help you and make a clear point. I am sorry for any spelling mistakes and so on.^^

Thanks for your support othan1!
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othan1 | May 2, 2013 2:08pm
Hi, I'm a newb at dota 2 atm so this may be a stupid idea but on the semi-carry build wouldn't boots of travel be more viable than phase as they give more base move speed so windrunner is even quicker + its great for backdooring (which windrunner does nicely due to her ulti taking out towers/buildings with ease) and lane control because of the active. Please reply and tell me what u think. Thanks. nice guide, keep up the good work.
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iN7.Ganker (17) | January 19, 2013 3:33am
You won't usally buy a blink unless you rely strongly on Windrunner initiating the fight, which isn't really what she does. Of course it's a lot easier to get good shackleshots but it isn't impossible to do the same with forcestaff. Your escape options are limited when catched with blink while they aren't when you have forcestaff.

On a sidenote, you should only have either Forcestaff or Blink Dagger, not both since you have high mobility from windrun if you need it.

The thing is for offlane Windrunner that she is unable to collect so much gold for blink while Forcestaff has an easier buildup and for example the RoR comes in handy if you are not rushing mek for some reasons. (you are rushing forcestaff in this case)

The Luxury/Situational section is kinda overloaded anyway and blink is really situational though, I am not gonna add it. And there is no need for an "overfed" - section what a few people were demanding.
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Skillfullism | January 18, 2013 8:46pm
No blink dagger?
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Ghostsilver | January 14, 2013 9:53am
I love this build at last i see a simi carry WR :D
i like the build and the way of ur thinking of it :D thx for the build really helpful
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iN7.Ganker (17) | December 24, 2012 3:13pm
@zodd

I kinda tried to make a difference there by not calling it "Support" Windrunner rather than "Supportive" Windrunner. What I meant to say is that you choose to fullfill more of a "supportive" role or a more "carrying" one. Take a closer look at the item choices which are mentioned in the "build's". You will see that supportive Windrunner focuses on items that help the whole team and therefore "supports" them.

Long story short. No you are not supposed to buy chicken, upgrade the courier or buy any other support items from the start. Windrunner either the semi-carry or the supportive one will focus on catching as much experience and lasthits(gold) as possible without dying in her lane. Getting Dust/Smoke/Sentry's at some point would be sth. what you can do to help the supports collect some money for other items when playing a more "supportive" role.

The 4th and 5th position in a lineup(numbers refer to farm priority) are the heroes that usally support the hardcarry or roam around which is not what Windrunner does. Supportive Windrunner likely takes the 3rd position in most cases and helps out when the supports lack money but usally focuses on getting the mekansm at some point.

Even though we rarely see Windrunner picked and played as the 4th position hero in competetive play, she can do well later on while struggeling in the earlygame due to the lack of exp/gold and some sort of a 100% reliable stun for early ganking. That wold be the Windrunner you refered to at the beginning, the "Support Windrunner".


@Everyone
I wish all you guys (and girls?) a merry christmas! I hope you all behaved-well throughout the year. ;)
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zodd | December 24, 2012 11:02am
Should a support Windrunner start with a courier and ward throughout the game? I do realise that it's common and normal for supports to do this, but I was wondering if it's the case for Windrunner as well.
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Skorzeny | November 29, 2012 10:19am
Great guide!!
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PrinceSitri | November 28, 2012 12:38am
I tried Diffusal Blade on her and it was awesome, I went by it because there was a Skeleton King on the opposing team and it was very funny then I went Daedalus after. I went Godlike and carried the game like 13-3, it was a pretty good run even Riki and Templar Assassin can't do anything and we won even though one of us left the game.
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ConfusedCactus | November 25, 2012 10:22am
Excellent guide. +1
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Philipc05 | November 18, 2012 9:12am
Great guide from start to finish!
I recommend it for anyone just starting as we'll as advanced players.
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iN7.Ganker (17) | November 11, 2012 5:14am
This is true, but doesn't necessarily make it a better item. I am not implying that you said that phenompbg, just reminding people that there are much more useful items instead of this one.

Thanks for clarification, anyways!
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phenompbg | November 11, 2012 2:56am



For that to work you'd need not only the Skull Basher & Monkey King Bar but an Aghanim's Scepter too otherwise neither of the stuns on those 2 items will ever activate when you use her ultimate. Also the ultimate costs 200/300/400 mana to cast & considering her other skills cost 100 mana or more each, you'll have trouble casting it more than once without a load of mana regen items as well.


That's wrong. Aghanims bypasses the damage reduction for those effects. The effects still work without it.
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iN7.Ganker (17) | October 26, 2012 8:02am
Bloodstone provides great surviveability for her but in most cases there will be much better items for you to get in certain games, can be a good item don't get me wrong just doesn't fit most games too well in my opinion.
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th0m4svu | October 25, 2012 11:15pm
great skill build for semi-carry. basically harassed the whole time with powershot and shackle. bloodstone is amazing for her.
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NinjaFatcats (1) | October 21, 2012 11:23pm
Very nice guide! :D
+1
can you please tell me some heroes who go nicely with Windrunner?
Thanks
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iN7.Ganker (17) | October 21, 2012 11:53am
Wow, I really didn't expected something like this to happen ...
I really want to help to improve the community and make it easier for newer players to start playing heroes like Windrunner.

From this point of view: Yes you have the permission to translate the guide and post it up. Of course you should state me as the author as well as provide a link to the original guide here on dotafire.

It would be nice if you inform me when you are done and provide me a link so I could check. If you want to clarify or discuss anything else mentioned, fell free to do this via PM.
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Sparkrex | October 21, 2012 8:10am
hi, i'm a korean who love dota2.

i want to translate this windrunner guide

it'll be very helpful to other beginners and me

i'll mark where it was

plz allow me to translate its great windrunner guies
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SuperNova (16) | October 10, 2012 9:42am
Shadow Fiend has a hilarious line when he kills windrunner
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sergiowero | September 17, 2012 3:06pm
You should add a little explanation of How to play in early/mid/late game.

But everything else is pretty good :D.
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secret05 | September 13, 2012 10:46pm
Awesome guide iN7! Excellent job at explaining everything, it helped me a lot.

Recently I was checking the games that were played in the International Tournament and I noticed that some of the Windrunners get Tranquil Boots. Does anyone know how you would incorporate those boots into a Windrunner build? The biggest thing for me when playing Windrunner is the need for mana regen, so I'm not sure how I would be able to incorporate Tranquil Boots into my build instead of Arcane Boots.
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iN7.Ganker (17) | September 5, 2012 2:28am
Forgive me, William as I see your comment so late but i got to enjoy some nice weeks of vacation though, I didn't really came close to the internet at this time.^^

Yes there will be a new guide in the near future feat. Invoker, I came up with some new ideas on how to present the guide and got to play around a little, not sure if the crowd will like it though, I am going to see that I guess.

And believe me this guide has taken a lot of time but I guess I somehow did a good job. :D
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William (7) | August 29, 2012 1:03pm
I posted about this guide originally back in May, and now it's the most popular guide on the website.

No real surprise. It is extremely well written.

Planning on any further hero guides, iN7?
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iN7.Ganker (17) | August 14, 2012 7:53am
Uhm, i missed your question RushFlash: (I am sorry for the double posting :( )

I am not completely sure how it actually interacts with focus fire, maybe it doesn't apply while useing it without aghs, so it doesn't place the debuff. Nevertheless I am pretty sure it will do the amplified damage if you already hitted one time before useing focus fire, I am going to check this ingame, later on and post the result here.

I might add it as an situational item which can probably be useful if facing an high armor carry.(or a low armor carry to even increase the damage more)
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iN7.Ganker (17) | August 14, 2012 7:46am
@RushFlash

Thanks for your support and praise!
Firstly i think you are the only one so far giving examples how this guide is able to improve. I really like your suggestions though and i will definetly think about that, the only problem is that i dont keep much tracks anymore on dotafire because I experienced a huge amount of trolling like hero guides which are like real ******** and getting upvoted like crazy hanging around 80-90% which obviously misleads many new players and/or mediate ones which is quite sad considered "guides" are "misleading".

I am not going to take anything away from those guidewriters, they spent much time on their work but are limited in the way of improving their guides rendering them quite useless, especially if they are just wrong. I am not going to name any single one of them and i dont overrate myself, in my opinion, like I said there is always space to improve and I am happy you pointed it out. :)

I hope you understand my point, its quite awkward to work on dotafire under these conditions or it just simply demotivates me. As i first started I planned to make a guide to like every hero but I am not that confident anymore even if I have the time to do it.

Like you may noticed I am a friend of writing quite long "story's" in responses as well as in my guides. I appreciate your criticsm and might work on that later on, you know, it's people like you that motivate me to improve guides or writing new ones, so I see that there are actually some people really careing about whats going on here. Thank you, so far!

Note that I am not a native english speaking person and I am not checking my writing, so if you find some mistakes you're allowed to keep them. ;)
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Brncrmp (1) | August 13, 2012 12:11pm
some very usefull info, nice guide. I am interested in trying her now... have around 400 games played and still have not played her more then twice.... lol
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noble fish | August 12, 2012 7:02pm
very good guide, thanks for that!
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RushFlash | August 9, 2012 6:11am
I think this guide gives a really good impression on how to build Windrunner. I especially like that you consider and explain semi-carry and support Windrunner.
I still have some ideos on how to improve the guide:
You could give an in-depth guide on how to use shackeshot and powershot with pictures, showing the radius and angles.
I think it would be also important to know how much the cutting through trees and units decreases the damage of Powershot (I think 1% per tree and 10% per unit?)
What would also be interestint to know on how to behave during the different stages of the game as a support and semi-carry (when to farm, when to gank, where to position in teamfights)
I think these features would make this good guide and excellent guide.

And i have one question: Why don't you consider Desolator an suitable item for semi-carry Windrunner?

Despite all the criticism I want to highlight that I really liked the work you have done so far.
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Freeman | August 5, 2012 9:02am
Love Windrunner. Great guide!
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iN7.Ganker (17) | July 31, 2012 5:39am
You're welcome! ;)
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ElectricKatana (1) | July 30, 2012 4:22pm
I loved it it helps a lot thank you so much! :)
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Xellence | July 16, 2012 4:06pm
@Whated "Gingers do not have souls."

I can't remember what hero it was, I think Skeleton king - he actually says that when he kills you when you play Windrunner.
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Diegotonnn | July 5, 2012 8:55pm
This is a really good guide :D
here is a link to a picture of my score in a 5vs4 game :D
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198017786772/screenshot/1171184187709937011

thks a lot for this guide
Thumbs up!
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Malibu Stacey (1) | June 30, 2012 6:55pm
Nasuuna wrote:

A good item that people overlook on WR is basher/abyssal blade because she is ranged.

sure, 10% is lower than 25% but her ult gives max AS, combine with mkb and you can and will perma stun a target (:


For that to work you'd need not only the Skull Basher & Monkey King Bar but an Aghanim's Scepter too otherwise neither of the stuns on those 2 items will ever activate when you use her ultimate. Also the ultimate costs 200/300/400 mana to cast & considering her other skills cost 100 mana or more each, you'll have trouble casting it more than once without a load of mana regen items as well.
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Malibu Stacey (1) | June 30, 2012 6:49pm
Started to try out Windrunner recently & have some excellent games as her using the support build.
I do slightly modify it however. Core items for me are Magic Wand, Arcane Boots, Bracer ( Ring of Basilius from the guide is swapped out for this), Force Staff and one of either Mekansm or Pipe of Insight depending on my team composition. I upgrade the Bracer to a Drum of Endurance as the +9 on all 3 stats plus the Attack Speed + Movement Speed aura is invaluable on any Int or Agi support I find.

Great guide.
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Bloodthunder | June 5, 2012 7:59am
Great guide, played a game and ended 15/1/24 whilst taking the support route, first death at 51 minutes after the rest of the team died despite of my sheepstick and mek.
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Seeker#231359 | May 22, 2012 9:01pm
not to bad at all
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Nasuuna | May 19, 2012 3:35am
A good item that people overlook on WR is basher/abyssal blade because she is ranged.

sure, 10% is lower than 25% but her ult gives max AS, combine with mkb and you can and will perma stun a target (:
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AelorasTheBlack (1) | May 18, 2012 11:36am
LAWL! I love how I hae been futzing around with builds and finally got a windrunner build semi carry and people CONSTANTLY flame me for it as we have a support and i get a godlike xDD Your build and mine are VERY similar, except i skip the ring of basilis and go straight for my orchid first ^^ Great guide, very well done!
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King | May 12, 2012 6:36am
Bookmarked this guide. Looks really useful.
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William (7) | May 10, 2012 11:53am
I appreciate this guide. Have started playing recently and WindRunner looks like a great pickup for a diverse, but important playstyle.
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iN7.Ganker (17) | May 9, 2012 11:38am
:D :D :D I have waited so long for this post. :D
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Whated (12) | May 9, 2012 11:14am
Gingers do not have souls.
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iN7.Ganker (17) | May 9, 2012 10:49am
Really true and you will probably need the speed up to compensate slows as you mentioned.
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UrChesthair (2) | May 9, 2012 2:02am
I Reckon that phase boots are also pretty good as it helps to position yourself for shackleshot as well as giving you insane speed with windrun.
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Givre (8) | April 30, 2012 6:57am
Very nice guide. upvoted !
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johncop (1) | April 29, 2012 5:17pm
the reason of this is that this guide is very well done : simple, clear and effective !
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iN7.Ganker (17) | April 29, 2012 4:51pm
1000 views on one day? I didn't expect that! :D
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