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How To: Elder Titan, the Worldsmith

May 2, 2013 by xCO2
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Build 1
Build 2
Build 3

Build : Initiation Orientated

DotA2 Hero: Elder Titan

Offense

Damage 47-57

Defense

Armor 2.96

Other

Movement Speed 315

Attributes

Strength 81.5
Agility 51.5
Intelligence 63

Basic Stats

Health 2031
Mana 1053

Purchase Order

Spawn

Early Game

Core

Late Game

Defense Luxury

Offence Luxury

Situational



Hero Skills

Echo Stomp

1 4 8 9

Astral Spirit

2 3 5 7

Natural Order

10 12 13 14

Earth Splitter

6 11 16

Stats

15 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25


How To: Elder Titan, the Worldsmith

xCO2
May 2, 2013


INTRODUCTION


Since ancient times it has been prophesized by the Tauren elders that a Chieftain will come, strong as the mightiest warriors and wise as the eldest shamans. After many years of wandering the sacred lands, seeking wisdom from his forefathers, Cairne Bloodhoof has proven himself as the long awaited hero. Cairne carries with him the spirit of his mightiest ancestor, and now the ground shakes with the combined strength of the Chieftain and his guardian spirit. No physical nor magical barrier can reduce the power of his enchanted halberd, the weapon used by his guardian in ancient times. Such is the power of this axe that it can split the very earth itself. Seeking revenge for the ravaging of his homeland, Cairne will soon bring his wrath upon the Scourge (Dire).

Elder Titan is a hero who brings presence to team fights. He can fill a variety of roles, but his talent lies in initiating and team fighting. The Worldsmith revels in teaming up with heavy hitters and crowd controllers. His flexible playstyle and independance of items makes him a fearsome opponent that is hard to put down.

GUIDE KEY

COLOUR CODE:

YELLOW - Good, go for it.
ORANGE - Situational, a maybe.
RED - Bad, generally a stay away.
GREY - Is titled accordingly.
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LEVEL [LVL] CODE:

PURP - Q, your first ability.
LIME - W, your second ability.
BLUE - E, your third ability.
PINK - R, your ultimate.
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The below content is appropriately color coded to the above key. All of the following information, with the exception of the actual [ RUNES ] or the [ PLEASE READ ], initially correspond with their description accordingly. If something is not understood fully regarding the color code, please comment with your question / issue.

ROLE and POSITION

ROLE:

Elder Titan: INITIATOR.

The Elder Titan has strong physical damage as well as a strong spell arsenal. This strong balance of auto attack and spell damage can occasionally allow him to take the role of SEMI-CARRY. He can disrupt multiple heroes simultaneously with his spells allowing him to be a strong INITIATOR. Most of the Titan's abilities synergize around his guardian spirit and using his spells, making the Worldsmith an adequate and durable CASTER. Being someone who is so independent of farm the Worldsmith can also be a SUPPORT. Though he is durable he is not a TANK, and being a hard hitter he's not a CARRY. Overall Elder Titan excels in terms of damage and disruption, and is very flexible in build and playstyle. With that being said, he's a fearsome foe.


POSITION:

Assuming you bought your starting equipment as suggested and are wondering what to do now, you might want to consider your lane or jungle position; for the purpose of this guide you will head to a DUO or TRI lane. You should never SOLO as Elder Titan, you can not hold your own enough to win MID against a true solo mid hero.

BOTTLE and RUNES

Bottle: NO

Illusion: DO NOT PICK UP, unless there is no one nearby with a bottle.

Double Damage: Do not pick this up EARLY or LATE game, this is a great pick up for you in the MID game.

Invisibility: This is your rune, PICK IT UP , and use it to catch someone off guard.

Regeneration: SITUATIONAL, for the most part you will pick this up if no one needs it anymore than you do.

Haste: Good PICK UP on Elder Titan, allows for you to get into position.

EARLY GAME

INITIATION ORIENTATED:

Lvl 1: Save your Q, using only in defence or to secure first blood.

Lvl 2: Try to save casting for a few levels, using your Q if needed.

Lvl 3: Cast your W when needed, making sure there are enemy creeps nearby.

Lvl 4: Cast your W when needed, making sure there are enemy creeps nearby.

Lvl 5: Continue casting W, and occasionally Q if its needed to secure a kill.

Lvl 6: Use your R in conjunction with your Q to successfully nuke any opposition.

SUPPORT ORIENTATED:

Lvl 1: Save your Q, using only in defence or to secure first blood.

Lvl 2: Save your Q, using only in defence or to secure first blood. Do not cast W.

Lvl 3: Try to save casting for a few levels, using your Q if needed.

Lvl 4: Try to save casting for a next level, using your Q if needed.

Lvl 5: Use your Q and W for sure kills, otherwise wait until next level.

Lvl 6: Use your R in conjunction with your Q to successfully nuke any opposition.

SEMI-CARRY ORIENTATED:

Lvl 1: Harass and farm accordingly, play safe and avoid conflict.

Lvl 2: Save your W for casting until next level.

Lvl 3: Save your Q and W, only using in defense or a secured kill.

Lvl 4: Save your Q and W, only using in defense or a secured kill.

Lvl 5: Continue to farm and harass your lane. Use your W as a harrass.

Lvl 6: Continue to farm and harass your lane. Save your R for fights.

TEAM FIGHTING

Coming soon...

FRIENDS and FOES

To mend the his broken soul, the Worldsmith needs the appropriate tools.

Elder Titan essentially synergizes with any massive AoE TEAMFIGHTER to set him up to do some hurting by setting him up to release his ultimate. Disablers that have a SILENCE or CC are also great teammates.

ALLIES:
+ Disruptor - Stormcaller
+ Enigma - Darchrow
+ Twin Head Dragon - Jakiro
+ Admiral - Kunkka
+ Magnoceros - Magnus
+ Tidehunter - Leviathan
+ Treant Protector - Rooftrellen
+ Warlock - Demnok Lannik
+ Crystal Maiden - Rylai
+ Keeper of the Light - Ezalor
+ Outworld Devourer - Harbinger
+ Bloodseeker - Styrgwyr
+ Death Prophet - Krobelus
+ Disruptor - Stormcaller
+ Doom Bringer - Lucifer
+ Drow Ranger - Traxex
+ Night Stalker - Balanar
+ Faerie Dragon - Puck
+ Stealth Assassin - Riki
+ Silencer - Nortrom
+ Ancient Apparition - Kaldr
+ Bane - Atropos
+ Crystal Maiden - Rylai
+ Earthshaker - Raigor Stonehoof
+ Lich - Ethreain
+ Demon Witch - Lion
+ Shadow Shaman - Rhasta
+ Windrunner - Lyralei
+ Witch Doctor - Zharvakko
+ Treant Protector - Rooftrellen
+ Batrider - Jin'zakk

The very heroes able to help the Worldsmith can also be his undoing. Any channel breaking CC ability can be a serious thorn. SILENCE is also a very detrimental factor for the Elder Titan.

FOES:
x Ancient Apparition - Kaldr
x Bane - Atropos
x Earthshaker - Raigor Stonehoof
x Nyx Assassin - Anub'arak
x Slayer - Lina
x Demon Witch - Lion
x Shadow Shaman - Rhasta
x Windrunner - Lyralei
x Witch Doctor - Zharvakko
x Slithereen Guard - Slardar
x Bloodseeker - Styrgwyr
x Death Prophet - Krobelus
x Disruptor - Stormcaller
x Doom Bringer - Lucifer
x Drow Ranger - Traxex
x Night Stalker - Balanar
x Fairie Dragon - Puck
x Stealth Assassin - Riki
x Silencer - Nortrom

PLEASE READ

These guides are somewhat time consuming to produce, and most of them do lack some at the moment, but for the most part I believe they provide enough information to play properly with the given hero. Even though the guide is still UNFINISHED, I still need feedback on how to better it. The item build and such is always up for change, and your opinion is wanted as long as it's not something that smashes the entire guide because you don't like a little detail. Please keep in mind: if you have the time to read this guide and vote on it then you should have a sufficient amount of time to comment what pleased or displeased you.

TLDR:
Please take the time to provide feedback.
What can I change? What areas need improvement? Is the guide visually unappealing?

Guide Discussion
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Quote | PM | +Rep by xCO2 » May 4, 2013 10:09am | Report


Its good that you found the input helpful.
As a DoTA veteren who doesnt really get to play due to studies, discussing the game and brainstorming the most effecient builds is all i can do. This is my last year before i go off to college. I have put off dota since the last month and wouldnt be playing uptil april/june as thats when the admission exams happen.
Still i keep up with the updates and follow the scene and get myself familiar with the meta. I havent put even a single a hour into dota 2 even though i have a key. My graphic card went bonkers right before i got it and then didnt really play it after that.
I am still waiting for the release of the abaddon in the dota 2 client(as you can see by the name), but it looks like they are gonna release lc before him.
I play one of the most feared abaddon , silencer, arc warden and non-generic carries in the local lobbies and am dying to play with you all after the official release of all the 110 heroes.
Till then Happy Hunting :D


I might be in the same boat for college soon, but I think I'll always pretty much have the time to keep up to date and play now and then. Its good to see others from WC3 still kicking around.

I'm sure you're right about Legion Commander, I agree that Abaddon needs to be added soon, but as you can see in the bottom left of Elder Titan's splash art that that's not gonna happen. I'm looking forward to both heroes though.

Its a shame to hear about your GFX card ****ting the bed, but if you ever get your whole setup up and going feel free to hit me up, its fun to play with other vets. Maybe we can have a standoff with Arc Wardens, xD.

Once again, thanks for your input, it's always appreciated.

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Quote | PM | +Rep by Ab4ddon._.E43 » May 4, 2013 10:19am | Report
xCO2 wrote:



I might be in the same boat for college soon, but I think I'll always pretty much have the time to keep up to date and play now and then. Its good to see others from WC3 still kicking around.

I'm sure you're right about Legion Commander, I agree that Abaddon needs to be added soon, but as you can see in the bottom left of Elder Titan's splash art that that's not gonna happen. I'm looking forward to both heroes though.

Its a shame to hear about your GFX card ****ting the bed, but if you ever get your whole setup up and going feel free to hit me up, its fun to play with other vets. Maybe we can have a standoff with Arc Wardens, xD.

Once again, thanks for your input, it's always appreciated.

Hehe anytime bro, anytime :D
I gotta run now, got a test early in the morning and i havent studied squat. As i said, hope to see around for more brainstorming. Adios for now. Goodnite.

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Quote | PM | +Rep by Salari » May 4, 2013 7:06pm | Report
xCO2 wrote:

Cookie Cutter...

This is the 7th hero guide I've posted on this site, I think it'd be pretty clear by now that I like to follow a formatte when doing something. They're "How To" guides, of course they are generic, that's what I'm going for, that's what new players are looking for when they look up a guide. I think that's the mistake you two make, a person generally doesn't look up a guide to see your personal playstyle, they look up a guide because they're trying to learn the hero, otherwise they'd improvise themselves. I don't need a "passion" to write a guide, I need fundamental knowledge of the heroes. Its true that Tauren Chieftain was not not one of my go to heroes over the years, but that doesn't mean I don't know how to play him.

Your point on making a guide for heroes to be "first" is both relevant and irrelevant. In terms of this specific hero, there has been a guide written on him since October of last year. BUT, yes I write guides for heroes that don't already have guides because that's the whole point, people need a reference for a hero and there are just some heroes that no one writes guides for or no one knows how to play the because they don't have past experiences in Warcraft 3. I don't see what that has to do with anything, in fact I see it as a plus for putting myself out there and helping the community. You know who I've been wanting to write a proper guide on? Dark Seer, a very misunderstood hero whom is probably my favorite hero, instead I spend my time making sure that areas that others struggle in are filled. Skywrath Mage is a perfect example of that, even the Playdota guides didn't provide the standard proper play styles, so I made sure to do a write-up so there was a reference for the release.


That still doesn't excuse you from putting out an unfinished guide, doing that reeks of click-whoring, finish your write up, then publish it; it's not imperative that you get an unfinished guide out there when there's plenty of information out there in the meantime. You need to have everything done, especially item and build justifications, doing so would have prevented three pages of you explaining why BKB & Blink is core (which it still isn't, by the way. More utility and team items are the way to go with Titan. By the time you reach late game with him, people are going to have BKB, and the moment you try to initiate the way you suggest, they'll have plenty of time to react to it, building to a pipe would be far more beneficial, BKB and Blink are by far situational items).

Also, your format is flawed, your colour coding for whether something is good or bad is unnecessary, and only there to add colour (which can be done in different ways) and the colours are wrong, it's ingrained in the human psyche that green=go yellow=maybe red=no. And your friends and foes list if FAR too broad: you only need to highlight those that synergize with him particularly well or those that counter him hard. Like if you were doing one for Skywrath you'd mention heroes like Nyx or Pugna as hard counters to him, we know being an Int hero silences would counter him, and being squishy heavy nukers would burst him down quickly, you don't have to mention every single nuker and silencer in the game, you'd just name significant ones.

If you're going to rush stuff out, expect criticism; this is a rush job and I among others have noticed. Justify it however you want, but there's no problem with leaving it a day or two to actually finish your write up.

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Quote | PM | +Rep by R_a_y » May 5, 2013 3:37am | Report
Blink Dagger? Battle Fury? Why?!

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Quote | PM | +Rep by TangoNCash » May 5, 2013 9:12am | Report
I strongly disagree with the Blink Dagger. One of your great strengths as a hero is your ability to use the spirit to proxy-initiate from up to 1000 away, without placing yourself in the middle of a battle. It's a built-in positioning tool, and it's much more reliable than similar positioning skills like Skewer.

Instead of spending 2000+ gold on a positioning item you can invest this money in the teamfight utility items that really help you to shine, like drum, mek, and the like.

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Quote | PM | +Rep by Yoda » May 5, 2013 10:42am | Report
xCO2 wrote:



What do you mean by "should've added the item choice before posting the guide"?

I meant the item choice explanation, the reason why you chose blink and bkb instead of going for a cookie cutter build, so that you wouldn't of gotten all of this hate in the comment section.

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Quote | PM | +Rep by Yoda » May 5, 2013 11:12am | Report
TangoNCash wrote:

It's a built-in positioning tool, and it's much more reliable than similar positioning skills like Skewer.


But a magnus will still get a blink anw ;) The thing is that the stomp isn't like a Ravage, it has a small AOE and might only hit two players unless everybody is Vacuumd or something, double stomp is still more reliable than a one-man-stomp. And as xCO2 said, tc is very item independent. He can easily farm up a creep camp as well.

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Quote | PM | +Rep by saifthedestroyer » May 7, 2013 5:52am | Report
over all nice guide. up vote :D

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Quote | PM | +Rep by Cryslo » May 11, 2013 11:25am | Report
Strongly disagree with this guide. Elder Titan can be very powerful mid especially against more fragile heroes. He has great starting str and armor and his W is extremely efficient in terms of damage:mana ratio with the additional ability to make your autoattacks hurt like nothing else. Also if you say he is quite item independent, why does your core cost 7000g for 2 items that only benefit yourself? Blink dagger is unnecessary as spirit gives your q 1000 range. If you really need the mobility, buy a force staff. BKB is highly situational as I find that your range often enough to get that first strike against the enemy team. IMO, your core should revolve around utility items that benefit your entire team such as mek, pipe, drums and later extend into things like shivas, AC.

Agree with Salari about the color coding btw, really detracts from the ease of reading of your guides. I found myself scrolling up every few sentences to remind myself what each color meant. Would be much better if you just typed things out/left things in the normal font. For example, isn't it common sense that you should stay away from foes? Really no need to color code the entire list red.

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Quote | PM | +Rep by TangoNCash » May 14, 2013 12:56am | Report
@Cryslo The cast range on ancient spirit is actually 1200. I completely agree with your comments, and before you pick up a BKB a Blink Dagger is actually a liability IMO, because it puts you in the centre of a battle where your Echo Stomp can be interrupted.

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