August 17, 2012

Jungle stacks - Unusual Junglers

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Hi all,

Just a quick thought on stacking neutrals + smoke of deceit farming style.
Na'vi pulled it off recently with using he 1st skill (whatever it's called) and a , while stacking the hard camp 3/4 times. He hit 6 before anyone else on the map - and as a result killed very early, and unexpectedly!

So who else could pull this off? I'm talking about heroes you wouldn't normally see jungle, but it turns out can, if you know what you're doing. This is NOT a noob post, so you kinda need to know dota already.. :)

I know the smoke deceit has changed, but with skill cooldowns for these heroes, waiting for the neuts to go back to the camp won't be difficult.

my thoughts -
- think about it.. :D any camp will do, I guess early you could stack the small camp, and take it out to level 2 - while on cd, stack the large camp, and get back to lane at the same time (or pull the lane creeps)
in theory - you could stack both mid camps on the radiant side, using a quelling - at 52/51 seconds hit the top camp, 55 seconds him the below camp (through the trees) and walk right, towards the lane - you should stack both camps, repeat for a 2nd time to get 3x stacks, then use to do all the work (though due to the cd, it may need to be level 2 at least, so it last 20 seconds) so a bit of laning first may be needed, ask a friend to do the stacking for you - then you can share the exp.

using bottle/rune control and after stacks smoke of deceit and start out with the small camp to get some levels, and hold on to the runes or bottle crow..

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aka KOTL ? with levels of course

so the idea being, that time spent in the neutrals, going to lane for a bit of exp, then going back may sound bad for the first few minutes. but once you take out the stack - BOOM your 1-2 level and 1k gold better off then everyone else. and in theory, again in theory - you could do this every 3-5 minutes?

your thoughts? who else could do this?

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I saw a Shadow Demon do this before in a competitive game quite successfully

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Are you planning to do this while under smoke or not?

It wouldnt work with since arc lightning and lightning strike are single target and will break invis from smoke. The reason why you can do it with is because his has such a low cd and is not single target.

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Your strat for undying would get owned by the ursa thunderclap unless the zombies are magic immune.

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Whats the link to the match?

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doesn't work anymore like it used to. So Storm and others really suck in jungle now a days.

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Windrunner with Power Shot, you can hit two camps with one shot. (on both sides does have this opportunity). Take bottle with you in the beginning of the game and you won't run out of mana so fast (Power Shot does have pretty expensive manacost (about 100-120) but low cd).
As a second skill put shackle.

Only minus thing is Golems which are immune to power shot)

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StevenLK wrote:

Your strat for undying would get owned by the ursa thunderclap unless the zombies are magic immune.

zombies are magic immune..

Just a general thought on who else could do this
Aware of the changes in Smoke of Deceit, but didn't know you couldn't do it with thanks for that!

I like the idea and will experiment, her base attack time is lower too (the time between attacks, thus making her attack speed higher), which will help.

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^ Well yeah I found that out after but to be honest the zombies will get owned by all of the hard camps since zombies have low hp.

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StevenLK wrote:

^ Well yeah I found that out after but to be honest the zombies will get owned by all of the hard camps since zombies have low hp.

Good point - they only have 30hp :s
that said they spawn every 3 seconds, and perhaps on the hard camp you can take the first 3 seconds of a beating - and a basilius should help solve that? They also spawn 1 zombie for each enemy, so the weaker creep in the hard camp will die off quite quickly, and the hard creep won't have the AS to keep up..! :p

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How about summoning this "zombie totem" next to lane where enemy creeps passes it and pull neutral creeps from other camps? (or lead enemy creeps to jungle next to your totem). That way you can start to "farm" as many zombies as possible before enemy will destroy it. Although totems duration is only 15 seconds in level 1 and when it's maxed, duration goes to 30 seconds.

Also don't forget Undying has a great AoE skill which mana cost ridiculously low but cd is quite big (25, 20, 15, 10sec)

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